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September 19, 2017
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PANTONE cmyk values in Illustrator do not match the PANTONE book, bridge, or website values

  • September 19, 2017
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What we've done is tried to create a few different swatches using the Solid + Coated versions for 485 (485C), Cool Gray 9 (Cool Gray 9C), and a few other default swatches in Illustrator CC. The color values that a represented in our software do not match the PANTONE books, bridges, website, or the Color Manager that we have installed. The values for the 485C PANTONE in Illustrator show as 4, 98, 100, 1. The values on the website and in the color books show as 0, 95, 100, 0. The RGB and hex values are also different in Illustrator CC (RGB 226, 35, 26) (HEX #e2231a), but the books, bridge, website and color manager are uniform with these as well (RGB 218,41,28) (HEX #da291c). It looks as though Illustrator is the issue, but I'm not sure why this is happening or if it can be fixed. Any suggestions are welcome!

Correct answer Ton Frederiks

The Pantone+ Solid coated library in Illustrator does not contain CMYK values anymore.

It gives Lab values and it uses your color settings to simulate the color for you printing process.

That means that you will get different CMYK values when you choose newsprint or Japanese inks.

Pantone Plus color libraries

4 replies

Participant
April 8, 2021

Hola,

En mi experiencia esa diferencia es debida a que los perfiles de color ICC usados en la PC no es el mismo que el utilizado para la impresion del libro (o pagina) de Pantone. De manera que al hacer la conversion, con cualquier intento colorimetricos produce valores diferentes.

 

Saludos

Ton Frederiks
Community Expert
Ton FrederiksCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
September 19, 2017

The Pantone+ Solid coated library in Illustrator does not contain CMYK values anymore.

It gives Lab values and it uses your color settings to simulate the color for you printing process.

That means that you will get different CMYK values when you choose newsprint or Japanese inks.

Pantone Plus color libraries

Bill Silbert
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 19, 2017

PANTONE has changed the CMYK values several times over the years as technology improved. The reason was that they could now create CMYK blends that more closely matched the ink colors. Rather than just adjust the existing solid color libraries to have the newer breakdowns somebody decided that they would leave the breakdowns for the solid colors as they were ten years ago and confuse the heck out of everybody. I've found that the best way to cope with this is to use the color bridge library (generally I use the coated one) when picking any spot colors. That way I can once again toggle back and forth from process to spot like I did in the thrilling days of yesteryear. Illustrator actually allows this easily as the toggle is readily available. InDesign makes it a little more difficult since the toggle is grayed out after you choose a color from the color bridge. However, if you then switch the color mode to CMYK then the toggle becomes active. I'm sure that there are some color purists out there who will say that all of this is blasphemy but I can honestly say that in my job in the production studio of a very large New York agency that our studio has never had a problem using this method.

KTdid.
Inspiring
April 7, 2021

This is not the case for me. The values that the Pantone site provides for a PMS C color's equivalent RGB/HEX and CMYK do not match what the C Book in Illustrators converts them to. Such a pain in the tushy.

Monika Gause
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 7, 2021

See the answer given by Ton.

 

You have to use a CMYK based color library.

Inspiring
September 19, 2017

I would create your own CMYK swatches and use the official Pantone equivalents.  I suspect your color settings and LAB values are affecting the CMYK conversions.  In the past, if you were to load a Pantone into your color swatches in Illustrator, then converted the spot color to CMYK ( a simple click on the CMYK icon ), the CMYK percentages would match the offiicial Pantone Solid-to-Process Guide.  Not sure what happened where now it does not work.