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August 7, 2017
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Transformation & alignment in CC vs CS6 for a strategy game counter sprue

  • August 7, 2017
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Hello:

I created a 3 level transformation of squares. I need to create a "sprue" of counters that will eventually be used in a strategy board game for a kickstarter project that I eventually will start. This counter sprue needs to be absolutely aligned correctly (they will be printed on both front and back) as it will eventually go to a die cutter for printing on chipboard (or rather pasted onto the chipboard & then die cut .... I'm not 100% sure how this process works, but I do know that it is essential that the counter sprue art to be aligned extremely precisely).

So I created a 1/2" square, transformed it into a row of 10 half-inch squares, transformed that again into two rows one on top of the other (20 squares at this point); I Transformed again into 9 groups with 1/8" spacing in-between for the sprue, finally transforming again twice (both halves together on an 8.5 by 11 sprue). Now the problem: in adobe Cs6 I was able to click horizontal & vertical align and the entire 3-level tranformation centered properly on the artboard, but in adobe CC I have been running into problems as it will not center properly (it only centers the original pre-transformed half-inch square, but not the entire completed transformation [again, which it did do properly in Cs6]). i found a workaround which I don't like: basically creating another rectangle object which I use to cover the entire transformation (I have to use the selection tools & the greatest zoom to insure that it perfectly matches the transformation), and then group the two. Then I can align vertically and horizontally (I can get rid of the un-needed extra rectangle at this point). There is the possibility of human error in this method (even if I do zoom at the highest level), so I don't care for it even though it would probably work (I imagine any error would be so minute as to be negligible). But, I would prefer exact/perfect alignment using existing align tools. I just don't know how to do this in CC (as I mentioned before, it doesn't seem to work the same way as it did in Cs6).

Anybody have a solution?

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    Known Participant
    August 9, 2017

    Thanks for everyone's responses. I still have the same problem even with preview bounds checked & there is no "align to pixel grid" option under the transform tab. A couple more screenshots here: in the second one you can see the bounding box around the whole Xformation, although it still aligns only on the first pre-transformed square when "align to artboard" and "preview bounds" are checked, though I'm not 100% sure if "align to pixel grid" is checked, as I do not have that option in the Xform tab. I'm using newest version of cloud, just installed it a few weeks ago as I mentioned earlier ....  I did have some tech problems in the install weeks ago: there were some fragments left of CS6 after I had tried to uninstall it that were causing CC installation failures for me; the adobe tech support guy had to take remote control of my system for a couple hours before I could get the cloud up & running on my system. Perhaps there are still some minor, lingering issues left that are conflicting with some illustrator features on my system because of it?

    Ray Yorkshire
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    August 7, 2017

    Download cs6 and work

    on that

    Known Participant
    August 7, 2017

    lol, I had to completely uninstall cs6 in order to get the cloud to work properly (had to have a support tech take control of my computer for a couple of hours, a few weeks ago when i wen't from cs6 to cloud). I don't want to risk crashing CC which seems to be up & running at this point (for the most part). If I can't get the align tool to work like it's supposed to at least I can use the workaround as I described earlier to work around the problem (although it's not a fix, it does function).

    Dan Rodney
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2017

    Did you try choosing Object > Expand Appearance and then doing the alignment?

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    Known Participant
    August 7, 2017

    Hello:

    I did click "use preview bounds" and the bounding box encompassed the entire transformation instead of just the original square, however it still would only centered on the original square. If this could work, that would do what I want/need (it's probably supposed to work).

    Dan Rodney
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2017

    Did you use the Transform Effect to do this? If so, choose Object > Expand Appearance and then do the alignment.

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    Known Participant
    August 7, 2017

    Here's that screenshot. The 4-deep transformation process created a sprue of 280 half-inch counters for a strategy game I'm working on (2 columns of 140 counters each). The artboard is set to 8.25 x 10.75 (with bleeds of .125 on each side for a total canvas size of 8.5" x 11"). Although bleeds won't be used on counter sprues (a die-cutter will though, each of the small .5 squares will be die cut ... standard strategy board game counter sprue used in that industry). I clicked horizontal and vertical align and checked center on artboard (as opposed to center on selection). Note that the center & align function only centered the original (pre-transformed) square in the upper left (covered by the bounding box). The bounding box doesn't include the entire transformed object (only the pre-transformed original square). In adobe Cs6, the alignment tool centered properly (the entire transformation), but in adobe CC (the cloud, 2017), it seems to only want to center the pre-transformed original object bounded by the bounding box (as you can see, only that object is centered properly). A workaround is to create a rectangle that "perfectly" covers the entire transformation, group them, then center the grouped object (after which, I can un-group and delete the workaround rectangle .. but that seems unecessary to me & requires a lot of work to ensure the rectangle perfectly covers the transformation .. it doesn't snap to the transformation for some reason, only the original square).

    Doug A Roberts
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2017

    in the align panel's menu, check 'use preview bounds' and try again.

    Monika Gause
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2017

    Did you setup the file for Print?

    If not, then pixel alignment might be turned on.

    In CS6 that is "Align to pixel grid"

    In CC it's Create pixel perfect art.

    When working with shapes, that might act a little differently. CC has live shapes, which CS6 has not.

    Also: Are there strokes applied? THose do also act up with Pixel perfect alignment. And then: when you measure your positions, do you include strokes?

    Known Participant
    August 7, 2017

    I think it was set to align to pixel grid (that box was black instead of grey). I tried both ways with "use preview bounds" as suggested by the user below, but it still does the same thing.

    Known Participant
    August 7, 2017

    Yes, eventually the file will be used to print. As I understand it (in this business), the sprue will get affixed (either glued cover paper, or sticker type paper, I'm not sure which) to an 8.5 by 11 chipboard (industry standard is 60 point), which then goes to the die cutter who creates a metal dye (spelling?) tool which is then used to punch the (now complete) sprue to create counters for the game which eventually get fully punched out by the customer.

    Community Expert
    August 7, 2017

    hi .. can you send us  screenshots of your artwork , to get better knowledge to answer

    Dan Rodney
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2017

    It's hard to understand what you're describing, but if the problem is that things are just a little bit off, some type of snapping may be turned on. Have you made sure snapping is turned off? In CC 2017 look in View > Snap to ...

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