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April 18, 2019
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CMYK add-ons

  • April 18, 2019
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The internal PS separation leaves something to be desired.  UltraSeps at $500 and the need to click through to two different pages to find that out leaves a lot to be desired.

I've been making CMYK silk screen tee shirts and would like something that does the separation better.  For example, a black background comes out on all four colors.  A yellow set of letters does as well.

What are others using?

TIA.

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Stephen Marsh
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April 28, 2019

Screen printing is a niche/specialised area of printing so it is no surprise that it will need to be treated as such, particularly with the generation of printing white and spot colours. All of this is possible in Photoshop with the right knowledge of the tools and the end process. $500 is cheap for a specialised professional tool that likely saves you so much more time/money over using alternative hacks. All trades have certain costs to do business.

If you don't have the appropriate 3rd party ICC profile creation software, I would suggest that you look into the pre-ICC profile colour separation method of Photoshop, the legacy "Custom CMYK" with a GCR using maximum black generation. You can include this into an action and include selective colour, curves and other steps to fine-tune the result and decontaminate "pure" primary colours (which could happen pre/post separation). Another method is to use "chops" or "channel operations" on either the RGB or CMYK data using the apply image command.

Legend
April 22, 2019

Same thing. Well, that's what SWOP (Coated) does: this profile makes rich blacks, it makes colours suitable for printing with SWOP (Coated) inks and papers. All separators, given a SWOP profile, should produce the same results, pretty much. But clearly silk screen tee shirts are not a SWOP (Coated) printing press, you need to use the right profile.

If you want to change the CMYK conversion, you do it by getting a new profile. You don't need to spend $500 on a separator. You, might, however, need to spend much more than $500 on specialist profile creation software.

Legend
April 22, 2019

Whether this is "normal" depends on the CMYK profile you selected. How do you select a profile? Have you looked for a profile with the properties you want?

Legend
April 20, 2019

Are you saying your black comes out on all seps (rich  black) and you don't want rich black? Or it only comes out on the K plate and you want a rich black on all plates? I don't think you need a different separator, but you need to look at your colour profiles and colour usage. Do you work in RGB or CMYK? What CMYK profile do you use, and how did you choose it?

Participating Frequently
April 22, 2019

When you do CMYK as builtin to PS, all channels are black.  That's the normal way of it.  The problem is the different channels have a lot of bleed over so the "yellow" has other colors included in the black, the "cyan" channel also has other colors included in the black and so on.

Further, in both Windows and Macs, when you expand the channels you get a ton of extraneous crap that isn't on the original at all.  But that is an aside.  What I'm after is a better CMYK tool than the one builtin to PS.  None of this has anything to do with RGB other than the original picture would have been in it.

As I said before, Ultrasep has a replacement tool, but at $500 it's too rich for my needs.

Participating Frequently
April 22, 2019

You might have meant the Color Setting for CMYK?  That's SWOP.