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zenfoto
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January 11, 2022
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Color Management & Printing: 2022 newly saved PSD file vs 2018 PSD file print differently

  • January 11, 2022
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Thanks in advance. Running an Epson 9900 with M1 Mac mini and Photoshop v22.5

When I print an older file (saved in 2018), it prints with an accurate color match.

When I print a newly saved 2022 file (just yesterday), the print has the right tone density but color is saturated and leans blue (very off).  I ran different tests with no resolution. Then the idea occurred to me to just copy the layer inside the 2022 file into the 2018 file and print from that.  The print was a match. I'm printing with "Photoshop Manages Colors" so my hypothesis is when saving newly created files something is embedded in the file that screws with the color management.  But what that is, I have no clue.

Help?!  Screenshots of my PS & Printer settings attached.

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NB, colourmanagement
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 19, 2022

IMO, you are doing the right thing by removing the "convert to Lab" step - Lab is a BIG colurspace, so the granularity of datapoints is effectively reduced.

 

Bottom line, you could convert a file with a nice smooth colour gradation from AdobeRGB (1998) into Lab and then convert back and it would potentially lose the smoothness. (working in 16 bit would help but I cant think of a good reason to go to Lab unless you have some special Lab only colour edit move you like to use) 

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer
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zenfoto
zenfotoAuthor
Participant
January 18, 2022

Hey all, thanks for the responses.  About a year ago, I had a custom profile created for a couple of my preferred papers. I also have some actions that convert master files to flattened print files.  The old action (from a printing class I took with Charles Cramer) converted files to LAB (I can't even tell you techincally why but it worked for me in my workflow).  The new action does not.  Between the actions and the profiles across files created at different times, I completely confused myself as to what worked with what.  After blowing through about 20 test prints, I figured it out.  Bottom line.  User error.

 

BTW, I'd also been printing (Epson 9900) with 16 Bit selected which was an additional fly in the ointment.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
January 18, 2022

FWIW, there is zero reason to be converting your images to Lab to print. 

Ditto to 16-bit to print. Editing yes, printing no.

http://digitaldog.net/files/TheHighBitdepthDebate.pdf

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
zenfoto
zenfotoAuthor
Participant
January 18, 2022

Edit 16, print 8, no LAB conversion.  All good now.  BTW, I had paper profiles created for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Canson Bartya Photo.  Compared to Ilford's own profile, the Gold Fibre Silk prints too cool/blue especially in shadows. I don't see the difference when proofing either.  Might have to try one of yours.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
January 12, 2022

You can't really print from Lab; a conversion to RGB, something you may not be controlling is happening. This has nothing to do with bit depth; 8-bits of good data is all you need, very few print drivers can even deal with high bit data (again, they will convert this to 8-bits per color). 

You should always test output using good color reference images designed for that task. The color reference images RGB values are such they are set for output and are editing and display agnostic. Test the output this way and examine for the same color issues so we know it's not your image specific issues causing the problems:

 

http://www.gballard.net/photoshop/pdi_download/

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html#TestPrint

http://www.digitaldog.net/files/2014PrinterTestFileFlat.tif.zip

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
NB, colourmanagement
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 14, 2022

Andrew, just so you know that link: http://www.digitaldog.net/files/2014PrinterTestFileFlat.tif.zip isn't working. 

 

May I also offer my own testimage: https://www.colourmanagement.net/downloads/CMnet_Pixl_AdobeRGB_testimage05.zip

 

thanks

neilB

 

NB, colourmanagement
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 12, 2022

"Then the idea occurred to me to just copy the layer inside the 2022 file into the 2018 file and print from that."

so you added the 2022 layer to the 2018 file [in the current Photoshop version] and saved then printed and ity was OK? That would seem to rule out an issue when files are saved.

You should be making a copy then flattening to print, printed appearance sometimes fails when printing layered files.

 

"my process coverts them to LAB for printing" 

please tell more and explain why?

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer
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Bob_Hallam
Legend
January 12, 2022

Do both Images have the same embedded profile?

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zenfoto
zenfotoAuthor
Participant
January 12, 2022
Yes, my process converts them to LAB for printing. Master edit files are in ProPhoto RGB.
Bob_Hallam
Legend
January 12, 2022

Is the Bit depth of these files 16 bit?  I have sen where 8 bit LAB causes match issues.  

ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.