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June 26, 2018
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Color profiles still a joke

  • June 26, 2018
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I thought this was fixed.  Worked fine on 15.5 PS version.  Now RAW to photoshop is screwing up again.  If I select my monitor profile in RAW, and in PS, it doesn't come out correct.  If I select monitor profile in RAW, and selecting sRGB profile in PS, THEN once it's open in PS I convert it to my monitor profile it works and looks right.  This is the only method I've been able to find to get it to look right in PS.  Please fix.

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    Correct answer davescm

    Hi

    From your description, the reason colour management is not working for you is that you are using the profiles incorrectly.

    The only place you should select your monitor profile is in your operating system. Photoshop will use the profile from your operating system to ensure colours are shown correctly.

    From Camera raw you choose a document colour space to output the document e.g. sRGB or Adobe RGB or ProPhoto

    In Photoshop you can set colour settings to use a working space (not your monitor profile) but this only affects new documents. What you should also have checked is Preserve Embedded Profiles. That way the color management in Photoshop will use the document profile you chose in camera raw and convert it, on the fly , to display correctly on your monitor using the profile in your OS.

    Edit to add : Set this way, if you see a difference between ACR and PS then you likely have an incorrect or broken monitor profile.

    Dave

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    D Fosse
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    D FosseCommunity Expert
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    June 29, 2018

    Give us an application-by-application breakdown. Is this consistent in all color managed Adobe applications - Photoshop/Bridge/ACR?

    How does it compare to an application that doesn't do any color management, like Windows 10 "Photos" or Windows Explorer? An sRGB file displayed on a wide gamut monitor, without any color management, will display oversaturated. An Adobe RGB file will be closer to the monitor's native color space and should display roughly right.

    It could be that the wrong monitor profile is used for each screen, for some esoteric reason. To eliminate this possibility, try to disconnect the old 2007 screen, and run a new calibration/profiling with only the 3216 connected.

    It needs to be stressed that all this normally works out of the box. No user intervention or special settings are required, as long as everything is strictly left at default settings.

    T
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    June 28, 2018

    Thank you. That may be relevant because Photoshop has to send diffferent colour to each monitor to get the same result. Does anyone with this setup have any insight to share?

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    Chase ChickAuthor
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    June 28, 2018

    Yes, both.

    T
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    June 28, 2018

    Do you have both monitors on the same system at the same time?

    C
    Chase ChickAuthor
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    June 28, 2018

    So used the inbuilt Windows color calibration, and made a new profile that way.  That works.

    New topic, anyone know how to properly calibrate using this Spyder for on a Dell 3216q?  My other monitor is a Dell 2007FP, and that calibration came out ok enough.  But can't get anywhere close on the 3216q to anything resembling an acceptable picture.  Blue/green cast every single time.

    On a completely unrelated note, anyone wanna buy a Spyder4Elite?

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    Chase ChickAuthor
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    June 28, 2018

    So I went and bought a Spyder4Elite second hand off craigslist.  Not only did this stupid thing introduce an awful blueish greenish color cast, but the same problem remains, even with the new color calibration profile saved.  Now I'm double effed. 

    Seriously, none of this was occuring in 2015.5.  In fact, until I find a reason not to, I'm switching back!

    ,

    T
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    June 28, 2018

    Let us know how it goes. If what we believe is correct, 2015.5 will do exactly the same.

    c.pfaffenbichler
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    c.pfaffenbichlerCommunity Expert
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    June 27, 2018

    Others have already elaborated on your mistake but in the future you may want to tone down wording like

    Color profiles still a joke

    as the real reasons for problems are often not what they seem to be at first glance.

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      Chase ChickAuthor
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      June 27, 2018

      I appreciate that, but for the fact that this all worked fine without my intervention in 2015.5. Did they switch something?

      D Fosse
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      D FosseCommunity Expert
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      June 27, 2018

      Yes, this certainly sounds like trying to "fix" a broken monitor profile by killing off color management completely. Fix the profile, and this works out of the box.

      Chick, you need to keep these profiles separate and not mix them up. Document profile is not the same as monitor profile. You need them both, and both need to be present and correct.

      davescm
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      davescmCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
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      June 26, 2018

      Hi

      From your description, the reason colour management is not working for you is that you are using the profiles incorrectly.

      The only place you should select your monitor profile is in your operating system. Photoshop will use the profile from your operating system to ensure colours are shown correctly.

      From Camera raw you choose a document colour space to output the document e.g. sRGB or Adobe RGB or ProPhoto

      In Photoshop you can set colour settings to use a working space (not your monitor profile) but this only affects new documents. What you should also have checked is Preserve Embedded Profiles. That way the color management in Photoshop will use the document profile you chose in camera raw and convert it, on the fly , to display correctly on your monitor using the profile in your OS.

      Edit to add : Set this way, if you see a difference between ACR and PS then you likely have an incorrect or broken monitor profile.

      Dave

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        Chase ChickAuthor
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        June 27, 2018

        Dave  I will give this a whirl when I get back from the field.

        D Fosse
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        D FosseCommunity Expert
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        June 27, 2018

        https://forums.adobe.com/people/Chase+Chick  wrote

        I appreciate that, but for the fact that this all worked fine without my intervention in 2015.5. Did they switch something?

        Photoshop or Adobe didn't change anything. Everything here points to a problem with your monitor profile. Photoshop relies on a sound monitor profile, and you always need to keep an eye on it. Photoshop just uses whatever profile it gets from the operating system.

        So you need to tell / show us exactly what your monitor profile is, and where it comes from. Are you using a calibrator to make it? Are you using a generic system profile? Are you using a manufacturer profile and if so where did it come from? You may have received a bad profile from the manufacturer, distributed through Windows Update. That happens a lot.

        The only way to have control over your monitor profile is with a calibrator. This is why it's a good investment. The monitor profile has to be valid, it has to be an accurate description of your monitor's actual behavior. If it isn't, Photoshop cannot display correctly.

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