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December 20, 2021
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colors changing Ps, LR, and Bridge

  • December 20, 2021
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I am having a major issue with colors changing....  they look warm in PS and Bridge... but look cold and desaturated in the PS "recent" thumbnails... (I was desaturating some colors in PS... the "recent" thumbnails in PS are probably the accurate view)  Once again they looked much warmer and saturated within PS....   I went to LR... the import dialog area showed them cool and desaturated, but after import they were warm... ZERO settings were applied during import.... NOW here is the really weird thing.... when I view the jpegs in windows photo viewer... they flicker between them... they start cold and desaturated for a few miliseconds then change to warm...  I dont understand what is happening... I am talking about both PSDs and Jpegs.....

I just uninstalled everything and went to flip through the photos in Windows photo and they are still flickering between them... Also uploaded a few to dropbox and they are all the cooler desaturated ones.

HHHEEEELLLLLLPPPPPP!!!!!

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Correct answer D Fosse

This sounds like the normal difference between color managed and not color managed applications. The Photoshop start screen with its "recent files" is for some reason not color managed. Once you open the file into Photoshop proper, full color management kicks in and the file is displayed correctly.

 

If you open raw files from Lightroom, there is an additional gotcha. The default setting in Lightroom is to open in Photoshop as ProPhoto RGB. The problem with ProPhoto is that it absolutely requires full color management to be seen correctly. Without color management, ProPhoto files appear very dull and desaturated.

 

You should change the Lightroom preference for "Edit in Photoshop" to sRGB until you get more experience and understand the implications of using ProPhoto. Until then, avoid it. It will cause you nothing but headaches.

 

Windows "Photos" is now color managed, but that was very recently added. In your case it sounds like it hangs for a second until the profiles are properly loaded and the conversion into the monitor profile completes. I've seen that happen with Bridge too on occasion.

 

I should probably explain what color management means here. It means the same thing as when you convert an image to a different profile in Photoshop, like, say, from ProPhoto to sRGB, using "Edit > Convert to Profile". But the display color management process happens automatically, on the fly, as you work. The document is converted from whatever embedded document profile is there, into your monitor profile, which is also a standard icc profile.

 

These converted numbers are sent to screen, and this way the file is correctly represented on screen regardless of the document color profile, and also corrected for the flaws and inaccuracies of your display.

 

For all this to work as intended, you need to have an accurate monitor profile. For critical use, you need a calibrator to make that, and advanced/experienced Photoshop users will always have and use calibrators. If not, you will probably have a manufacturer monitor profile distributed through Windows Update. For now I assume that's good enough.

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December 20, 2021

This sounds like the normal difference between color managed and not color managed applications. The Photoshop start screen with its "recent files" is for some reason not color managed. Once you open the file into Photoshop proper, full color management kicks in and the file is displayed correctly.

 

If you open raw files from Lightroom, there is an additional gotcha. The default setting in Lightroom is to open in Photoshop as ProPhoto RGB. The problem with ProPhoto is that it absolutely requires full color management to be seen correctly. Without color management, ProPhoto files appear very dull and desaturated.

 

You should change the Lightroom preference for "Edit in Photoshop" to sRGB until you get more experience and understand the implications of using ProPhoto. Until then, avoid it. It will cause you nothing but headaches.

 

Windows "Photos" is now color managed, but that was very recently added. In your case it sounds like it hangs for a second until the profiles are properly loaded and the conversion into the monitor profile completes. I've seen that happen with Bridge too on occasion.

 

I should probably explain what color management means here. It means the same thing as when you convert an image to a different profile in Photoshop, like, say, from ProPhoto to sRGB, using "Edit > Convert to Profile". But the display color management process happens automatically, on the fly, as you work. The document is converted from whatever embedded document profile is there, into your monitor profile, which is also a standard icc profile.

 

These converted numbers are sent to screen, and this way the file is correctly represented on screen regardless of the document color profile, and also corrected for the flaws and inaccuracies of your display.

 

For all this to work as intended, you need to have an accurate monitor profile. For critical use, you need a calibrator to make that, and advanced/experienced Photoshop users will always have and use calibrators. If not, you will probably have a manufacturer monitor profile distributed through Windows Update. For now I assume that's good enough.

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December 20, 2021

Thank you so much for that!!!  I've never really paid any attention to the "recent files" area... I actually do have a monitor profile, but something tells me that after an update I may need to check that it is still being used... I have use Adobe RGB for everything for going on 10 years, and until today have never had an issue... I'm going to take a crash course in color management as I am sure things have changed in the past 10 years... Thanks again!!! At least I'll be able to sleep tonight now lol

D Fosse
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December 20, 2021

Yes, Adobe RGB will also be desaturated without color management, although not so extremely as ProPhoto.

 

In any case, it doesn't sound like there's anything wrong here. You just need to figure out what it all means and how different profiles behave with and without a color managed process.

 

The one thing you can not escape or ignore, is color management itself. Photoshop is built around it, and you need to deal with it one way or another.