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October 3, 2017
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Converting duotone to CMYK for print

  • October 3, 2017
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I have a full colour RGB image of an explosion of mulitple paint colours on a black background. I want to change the explosion of colours to our brand teal green colour, with the background C 0%, M 0%, Y 0%, B 100%.

I have converted the RGB image to greyscale and then to duotone. Then set up my two inks. A 100% black and a CMYK teal green colour.

The image will be professionally printed. To avoid any problems with the duotone I want to convert it to CMYK. But when I do this, the black background becomes C 91%, M 79%, Y 62%, B 97%.

This is way too much ink density.

I was hoping that the the black would simply stay C 0, M 0, Y 0, B 100%.  i.e. overprint / knockout the teal green that is 'behind' it. Instead the two inks (the black and teal green) and combining, making the black unprintable.

1. Any idea how I convert the duotone to CMYK without the black ink density becoming unprintable?

2. Or how I change the colours in the explosion to our brand colour (without using a duotone) and the rgb background to a solid CMYK (100%K) black

Thank you

ps. I've tried converting the RGB image to greyscale and then importing it into InDesign and then changing the background colour to our brand teal green. This works, but it doesn't look at good as the duotone.

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Participating Frequently
October 3, 2017

The Black in this file will print fine in all the mediums you listed.

c.pfaffenbichler
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Community Expert
October 3, 2017

The image seems to show traces of previous editing:

October 3, 2017

I've just had a quick look. I think that is the only example of something odd. I bought the image from Adobe Stock, so I'd be upset if there were more issues with the image

Legend
October 3, 2017

If you don't know what CMYK profile you're using you have a problem. You need to use one designed for your press conditions. CMYK isn't a generic thing.

c.pfaffenbichler
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October 3, 2017

Test Screen Name makes a valid point.

While the pure »green« might appear similar in several print processes (at least while one does not actually hold one product directly up against another) the different gains may affect the appearance of the image’s brightness differently and thus affect the overall impression.

October 3, 2017

Wow thank you for your help. This is well outside my comfort zone and I don't understand how to do your suggestions.

Could I simply create a CMYK file and two layers. The bottom layer would be solid teal green C100, M0, Y45 K40. I would then paste into the top layer the greyscale image. Then remove all the CMY from this layer (using Curves??).

Then set the blending mode for the top layer to be Multiply. Then flatten the image. The background colour is now (as expected) C100 M0 Y45 K100. A combined TIC of 245%. Considerably less than the previous 329% and therefore much more likely to print and dry okay?

October 3, 2017

Original full colour RGB image.

Duotone image

I need the black background to be C 0, M 0, Y 0, K 100%

And the explosion to be our brand green C 100%, M 0, Y 45%, K 40%

But when I convert from duotone to CMYK the black background ends up as C 91%, M 79%, Y 62%, B 97%

which no printer will want to print cos' there is too much ink.

c.pfaffenbichler
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Community Expert
October 3, 2017

I asked for meaningful screenshots and the TAC seems unproblematic unless you have specific, conflicting information about the actual print process that you have not divulged. 

Legend
October 3, 2017

Which CMYK profile are you using? The ink density limits come from that.

October 3, 2017

I don't know what CMYK profile I'm using. But I do know that a printer won't want to print large, solid, background colour of:

C 91%, M 79%, Y 62%, B 97%

c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 3, 2017

But I do know that a printer won't want to print large, solid, background colour of:

C 91%, M 79%, Y 62%, B 97%

A TAC of 329% hardly seems a problem for sheetfed offset printing.

I don't know what CMYK profile I'm using.

What are the Edit > Colour Settings?

Please read up on Color Management.

Set up color management

COLOR MANAGEMENT PHOTOSHOP CC CS6 Basic ColorManagement Theory ICC Profiles Color Spaces Calibrated Monitor Professional…

c.pfaffenbichler
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Community Expert
October 3, 2017
1. Any idea how I convert the duotone to CMYK without the black ink density becoming unprintable?

You could use max GCR but you are probably better off doing the separation manually.

Please post meaningful screenshots including all pertinent Panels and dialogs of the duotone- and the RGB-image.