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June 19, 2023
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Images won't stay on top

  • June 19, 2023
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One of the ways I like to edit in PC Photoshop is to have an image I've already finished, open, and on top of the current image I'm working on, to make sure the colors are matching, and highlights and shadows are about the same, cohesively between the images. 

I just recently purchased an M2 Max to compliment my traveling freelance work, and how the "top" image disappears as soon as you click on the base image, is frustrating, and doesn't behave at all like the PC Photoshop. I understand you can have the image open in a different monitor, but that defeats the purpose of a light weight, travel editing laptop.

Please see the screen capture video of the issue here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X-mpnYCE8ftkMMJsDk-pGUsu-K5ezwXW/view?usp=sharing

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Nancy OShea
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June 23, 2023

That's called focus.  The active tab trumps all others.

Try Window > Arrange > 2-Up Horizontal or Vertical.  See screenshot.

 

 

Hope that helps.

 

Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
mlphoto.raw
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June 23, 2023

Yep. the window rearranging is what I've been doing. But far from ideal. 

Note screen shot doesn't really help me either, as I drag/drop layers from different image windows with the color/curves/adjustments. 

I was editing off my windows machine yesterday, and it was much better experience, moving around seamlessly with many images on top of main document. Too bad osx version can't offer the same experience. 

Thanks for the insight @Mark.Dahm much appreciated.

Mark.Dahm
Community Manager
Community Manager
June 23, 2023

Got the answer; it's designed that way to adhere to the Mac OS interactions. We often find ourselves stuck between following requests to break OS convention vs. adhering to those same conventions for consistency. In cases where there are entrenched and/or clearly articulated differences by design, we generally favor keeping behavior consistent on the platform vs. across platforms.

 

The specifics are that on Ps on Win, if you undock one document window, it will be 'in front' of the application container window all the time. With Ps on Mac, if you undock one document window, it will be 'in front' of the application container until you activate a document inside the application container. You can activate a document by clicking in the document area or by using the Window menu. When a document in the application container becomes active, then the application container moves in front of any floating document window.

 

I have seen some creative workarounds to this, though (pasting into Notes and using the Notes feature to always keep on top). You can also tile the windows in Photoshop and as long as an activated document doesn't use the same space as the source document, you can still have both on the screen at the same time (just sharing instead of overlapping).

 

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June 23, 2023

@Mark.Dahm in the workaround you describe, Apples own OS-specific app has an option to keep a specific note (analogous to a docucument, no?) always on top. It seems that providing us with an option to keep a document window floating on top would in fact adhere to Mac OS interactions. I understand the design premise, but the notion that we should use a Apple-provided, Mac OS specific app as a workaround to achieve this indicates that Ps is not really adhering to Apples convention.

Using a note to do this becomes problematic if any changes need to be made to the floating document, in which case the process of copying and pasting must be done over and over. I imagine that color management could be an issue as well. Tiling the floating windows works as long as you never forget to hold option while zooming, which even seasoned Mac users often forget.

Just give us the option. It would be most Apple-like.

mlphoto.raw
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June 20, 2023

Many thanks @Mark.Dahm.

It would be great to seamlessly go between osx/pc for workflow as a traveling freelance photographer. 

Mark.Dahm
Community Manager
Community Manager
June 20, 2023

Let me do some slinking around the hallways for a few days. I'm guessing we've looked into this already, given the lonstanding nature of the request, but I'll let you know what I find out.

mlphoto.raw
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June 20, 2023

Thanks for the quick response. So until the Photoshop sees a fundamental framework change, we shouldn't expect this to be fixed in the near future in the current frame work?

I think I can workaround with the stacking/fitting windows feature in the "views" tab, but obv not ideal. 

Mark.Dahm
Community Manager
Community Manager
June 20, 2023

The frameworks on Mac and Windows are different; we have a ton 'baked into' the way the windowing systems work on each platform, and are looking into modernization efforts to change those limitations so that we could tackle this. So while it is a recognized pain point, it's also a tremendous technical lift that will take a long time to ensure we don't break in some fundamental way.

mlphoto.raw
Known Participant
June 20, 2023

I absolutely love the similar workflow power I have with the mac. It actually performs similar to my 13th gen i9 PC.

However the software/OS limitation is annoying the crap out of me. Windows 11 workflow with PS is far superior due to the tab/windows management. Any input on this @Mark.Dahm ?

I guess just live with it I guess since they haven't addressed a long standing issue for over a decade? 

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June 20, 2023

I begrudgingly switched from Mac to Windows in 2020, while waiting for Apple to update their pro machines to Apple Silicon. Ps works on Windows of course, but little things like how the Wacom tablets respond, inconsistent color management, and the OS in general were constant annoyances. You deal with it. I'm getting back to work now on a new Mac Studio M2. And as much as I like it... there are annoyances. Here's one:

 

With PS on Windows, you don't really have a choice but to have the Application frame on. You don't get windows floating over the desktop. I prefer this. It's clean, and it keeps me focused. If you do float a window IT ALWAYS APPEARS ON TOP OF THE APPLICATION FRAME. This feature has become indispensable for me. I do a lot of color matching. Having a small independently floating window or two showing a section of an image that I can move around a larger, tabbed image that I am working on has become my standard workflow. I can open 20 files in a tab group, float my reference color images over the top of them and get to work, one image at a time. Honestly, I've forgotten how I did this before. Whatever it was was far less efficient.

 

On Mac, with the application framed any floating windows are sent BEHIND THE FRAMED APPLICATION when any of the framed tabs are made active. Why? Why can't I keep a reference image or two floating above the image I'm working on? If one attempts the workflow I describe above... it's impossible. Windows must be constantly resized. You cannot place a reference anywhere over the image you are working on and make adjustments while looking at the reference, as the reference get's sent to the back. As much as I hate to say it, the way this works on Windows makes so much more sense, and allows for a much more streamlined workflow.

I see this has been a request since at least 2014. That’s almost a decade.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/how-do-i-keep-a-floating-window-on-top-of-a-tabbed-document-so-that-it-can-be-used-as-a-reference/td-p/6141600