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April 1, 2011
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Photoshop Bug: Sliders getting stuck to mouse after release (Mac OS)

  • April 1, 2011
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When dragging various sliders in Photoshop CS5, very often these sliders get "stuck" and move with the mouse even though you have released the mouse. Say you are dragging a slider to set the brush opacity to 50%. When you have set it to 50%, you release the mouse and move it away from the slider, only to find that the opacity still increases or decreases as you move your mouse. You have to click again to fix this, but then of course you have to go back and do it again.

Below is a small illustration (I can't take a screenshot of my mouse) of an example of when this happens:

  • This happens to me around once every 5 times I use a slider, i.e. extremely often. As you can imagine, it's very annoying and frustrating.
  • I use a Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet, and I never use Photoshop without it so I cannot confirm whether this bug happens with a mouse or just the tablet.
  • It doesn't just happen like on the above illustration, but also with any slider such as those in Adjustment Layers and Filters.
  • The bug does not happen when using tools on the canvas (thankfully). So the Brush tool, and every other tool, works fine and never gets "stuck".
  • I have the latest version of Photoshop CS5.
  • This is a bug that has always been in CS5 since the first version, and it has not been in previous versions of Photoshop.

Does anyone else have this issue? Anyone else with a Tablet?

I know there are large amounts of similar, extremely annoying bugs in CS5, but this one is just driving me crazy.

Late 2008 15" MacBook Pro

OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.7 (but the problem has existed way before 10.6.7)

Photoshop CS5 version 12.0.2

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    Correct answer Chris Cox

    Have you installed the 10.6.7 update? (it fixes some OS event handling bugs).

    Do you have any third party plugins installed? If so, try disabling them. (because some buggy plugins are known to eat/mangle events)

    If CS5 is running slowly for you, then something is wrong with your system -- it could be the OS, or a third party plugin.

    22 replies

    Inspiring
    September 30, 2011

    After working on smaller files for a couple weeks without any problems, I opened up one of my very large files (4.38GB when opened in PS and with 197 layers in 37 layer groups) and, voilá, the problem was there, big time!

    That explains why this problem is not that common - most people do not work on these kinds of large, extra-many-layered files. My assumption is also that Adobe probably does not do extensive testing on these kinds of files but rather on more moderately sized files.

    I am now 100% convinced that this is a PS bug. 100%!

    Participant
    September 16, 2011

    Damaged fonts can cause various problems in Photoshop, some of which  don't appear to be font-related. The following solutions are listed in  order of easiest, and most likely to locate the damaged font, to more  challenging or time consuming.

    For me deslecting Font Preview Size solution worked. To do this goto (Mac) Photoshop/Preference/Type and deselect the Font Preview Size.

    Click on the below link to see more solutions.

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/843/cpsid_84363.html

    Hope this is any help.

    Inspiring
    September 13, 2011

    I have seen this behaviour in a number of different applications and I am absolutely certain that it is caused by the Wacom Drivers.

    The proximity sensitivity has become too sensitive and I find that my stylus needs to be about an inch above the tablet for it to become disengaged. Changing the pressure to "Firm" seems to help somewhat. (I have trashed and re-installed the Wacom driver but it hasn't helped.)

    My tablet is very old (an Intuos GT) and there doesn't seem to be a recently updated Driver for it. The problem is irritating but as I am not in the mood to buy a new Wacom tablet right now, I have just been putting up with the annoyance!

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    Running CS 5.5 on OSX 10.6.7 on a MacPro (2 x 2.4 Quad-core Intel Xenon).

    Participant
    September 13, 2011

    Found this on the Wacom site:

    • Why does my pen always act like I'm clicking?

    • Remove the nib from the end of your pen.  It can be removed by gripping with either a pair of tweezers or the nib extraction tool that may have come with your tablet.  While gripping the nib you can then pull it out of the end of the pen.
    • Leave the nib out of the pen overnight with the pen resting on its side.  This will give the pressure switch a chance to recover.
    • Replace the nib gently into the end of the pen and test it. If the problem remains, call our Customer Care center for assistance at 1-800-922-6613. Diagnostics and warranty status determination will be done during the call.

    ============

    This isn't the exact problem I was having but seemed connected. I have a spare Wacom pen and this morning I tried one of my reproducible bugs: resizing a window with a large InDesign file. Seemed to work just fine with the new pen. We shall see.

    pbc

    Inspiring
    September 13, 2011

    Thank you!

    I will try removal of the nib tonight!

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    I have just changed the nib and the problem is fixed.

    The old nib had lost about 1/32" of its original length and may have been pushed back onto the click contact in the pen as well.

    Why on earth didn't it occur to me that there might be a connection between the fact that the tablet is old and the nib might be worn-out?!

    Inspiring
    September 8, 2011

    What's with the harsh tone in the last post?

    Looks like someone's (yet again) taking out their life's frustrations in a forum that is about a bug in a piece of software. That's why a lot of people that I know (and myself) don't use these forums - because people come here to yell and rant and be unhelpful with their general anger. Had to get that out - now back to what we were discussing:

    I have a Logitech Mouse driver (latest version 3.4.0) and a Wacom driver (latest version 6.1.6-4) installed. Do any of the other people who are experiencing this have any of these installed?

    I will start trying to install older versions of the Wacom driver and see where that gets me.

    I wouldn't rule out some other random conflict like Chris says. I had my Mac not be able to shut down cause I had installed Kaspersky's Anti-Virus for Mac and then disabled it. So it wasn't even actively running at all but messed up my Mac until I fully uninstalled it.

    Who knows.

    September 9, 2011

    The harsh tone is because I've been trying to get this problem solved since APRIL.  Not only that—but I've been as helpful as I possibly could be to Adobe and the rest of the community.  I haven't stood by and watied for someone else to solve my problems—I've proactively disected every piece of this puzzle that I know how to—and I've dutifully reported every single detail as best I could.

    Rather than concern or appreciation, my issue is met with dismissiveness from the developer, like, "You haven't ruled out much, and haven't narrowed down the cause."  That made me feel great about the hours I spent troubleshooting and trying to help solve the problem, while not getting important work done.  And then statements that are bewildering in their lack of attentiveness (e.g. suggestions that something like a plug-in or Wacom driver might be the cause of this bug, when I'd just explained at length how I spent a whole day with my machine dismantled, installing fresh versions of everything, and not installing a single thing other than OS X and ADOBE CS5.  If someone had been through that trying to solve a problem with an expensive product I'd sold them—I'd be a lot more gracious and respectful than Mr. Cox has been.

    Regarding the tone of this thread—I don't post much here either, because from my observations, it's not a very pleasant place (and because I don't need help learning Photoshop... only help when there are bugs).  I guess I've contributed to that unpleasantness now.  I don't think my statements were out of line, but if I was unfarily abusive, then I'm sorry about that.  I am losing clients—real clients... my favorite clients—because I can't get my work done as a result of this bug.  It's not a feature request—it's a debilitating bug.  I've been stuck for a week now.  If Chris had been helpful instead of following what seems to amount to a "deny, distract, dismiss" approach, then I would have been understanding.  And in fact, my first post on this forum—though it was about a bug—expressed how appreciative I am of the developers of Photoshop and Illustrator because of the impact they've had on my life as a designer (which would not have been possible otherwise).  But that's not what I got...

    How can any logical person look at this thread and conclude that Chris Cox is being helpful or respectful by his posts?  His statements don't show concern, appreciation, understanding, or a reflection that he's even read through the issue.  Is his tone respectful in your eyes?  What if you were in my position—waiting for a solution so you can continue to make a living and get on with your life—only to be dismissed like this because millions of other users don't have your problem.  He offers no supporting facts or theories to bolster his statement that this issue is "something...outside Photoshop."  Perhaps he's right—I don't know... I'm not a developer.  But if he actually believes what he's saying and has strong reasoning for his statement—then why is he so coy about the supporting details.  For example—what possible explanations are there (actual examples or theories, not just "something...")?  So far, his suggestions are unsupported by the data that I've gone to great effort to provide.  I don't need to be a developer to understand that.

    Once again—how can he be so sure that it's something "outside Photoshop" when:

    a) no other application has ever behaved this way on my entire system, ever;

    b) Photoshop CS4 does NOT exhibit this behavior now—nor has it ever;

    c) other components of Photoshop CS5 do not even exhibit this bug—so why isn't this "outside" force blocking mouse-up actions for those things;

    d) this bug is replicable on different systems—different versions of OS X, different hard drives, different hardware configurations;

    Nobody has offered explanations to these things—which makes me feel quite strongly that I'm not getting a truthful or respectful response.  Is someone working on this problem?  Does any developer want to take me up on my offer of my logs and files?  I'll even send you my hard drive, and if I have to, my whole Mac Pro tower.  Is there something else I should try?  I'm all ears.  In the meantime... I'm losing sleep, money, clients and sanity.

    I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I'd put good money on the fact that I'm not—that this is a Photoshop bug, and it's being denied because it only affects a handful of users, so who cares... right?  I've offered a handful of solid, objective reasons for that conclusion, and have yet to hear one objective reason why my conclusions can't be true, are likely not true, or may not be true.  Furthermore, my experience is mirrored by the experiences of other users who have posted in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. 

    How can it be something outside Photoshop if there's nothing outside Photoshop???   The only things outside Photoshop are the OS, and the hardware on which it's running.  I've experienced this bug twice this year—and the ONLY commonalities between those experiences were my logic board, and my monitor.  Almost every other piece of the hardware setup is different, from the hard drives, to the brand and model of the video card(s), to the mouse and keyboard, to the operating system itself, to the version of CS5, to the plugins installed (or removed)... etc.

    That leaves one logical source as the bug—Photoshop CS5.  If I'm wrong—great!  Tell me what part of my system to remove or change and I'll do it right away so that this mysterious entity will cease to cause this behavior in Photoshop.  Please—tell me what to change.  At this point, I'm even willing to consider buying a new computer—even though I don't need one.  The only thing stopping me is the fear (for good reason) that if I went to the Apple Store today and brought home a new machine, Photoshop would exhibit the exact same behavior.

    What options do I have left?  I've tested, exhausted all my troubleshooting know-how, reported every detail I could, been respectful, been mean and angry, asked for help, done more troubleshooting...  What's left—a refund?

    September 9, 2011

    also jellysquare, yes, I have a Wacom tablet, but I've experienced this issue on a clean system with nothing plugged in and no Wacom software installed.  This issue has to be on OS X, in the Photoshop application, or perhaps in the specific Photoshop files (e.g. PSD).

    What types of files do you experience this issue with?  As I explained above, I use layers-heavy, styles-heavy documents a lot of the time–and those are the files that tend to cause (or reveal) this bug the most.  Unfortunately, those are the ones I'm working with now.  Do you also use multi-layer files?  Lots of groupings?  What is your hardware like?  What type of Mac, what tyep of hard drives, how much RAM, etc?

    Again—I don't think it can possibly be any other software aside from the OS or PS, so it doesn't make sense to focus in those areas unless someone can tell us why that might make sense...  I don't think the hardware will end up being relevant, but I ask just in case there's something to learn from your setup.

    -J

    Known Participant
    September 5, 2011

    does this only occur with people that are using Wacom tablets?

    does Adobe share this information (bug reports) with the tech folks at Wacom?

    thanks

    Participating Frequently
    October 28, 2015

    omg this is the worst thing.

    I am a digital painter.  So I am constantly making tiny tweaks to the HSB color slider.  This happens like one in 6 times and is incredibly detrimental to my work flow.  I pick the perfect minor color adjustment then go to paint olny to find it dragged it all the way to black......

    Using Wacom Cintiq 22hd.  Photoshop CC 2015. 

    Adobe please help!!!!!!!!!!

    Participating Frequently
    October 28, 2015

    oh I should say,

    Mac yosimite, cintiq 22hd, photoshop cc 2015.

    Inspiring
    September 2, 2011

    Yes - this problem has been haunting me for several months now. I do photoshop for a living and I can't tell you how many times my cursor "picks up" the layer that I am merely trying to click on. It'll just stick to the cursor and get dragged all over and end up in a different position in the layers pallette.

    It is the most annoying and persistant bug I have had to deal with in a long time. I do have a Wacom tablet which I use almost exclusively but I recently was using the mouse more often and noticed it happens with that too. I have no third party plug-ins and have completely re-installed my entire system AND photoshop twice already (without transferring any of the old settings/preferences files) and it's still happening. Could it be caused by the Wacom driver? The only thing I haven't tried is installing an older version of that.

    I beg for help to get rid of this behavior. I am on the floor weeping as I type this....

    zBosonAuthor
    Known Participant
    September 2, 2011

    Good to know I'm not alone with the issue. I would be very happy if Adobe tried to do something to address this, I would gladly provide them with any technical information they require to figure out what the cause is.

    The stickiest slider I have found which reproduces the issue very reliably is the first slider in the "Shadow/Highlight" dialog. If I drag that and release it, it will often continue to slide with my mouse. This works while clicking with my trackpad or my Wacom tablet.

    I have to stress that the issue does NOT happen when painting on the canvas with the brush. It ONLY happens when dragging things in palettes, such as sliders and layers.

    Chris Cox
    Legend
    September 2, 2011

    We have investigated, and we can't reproduce the problem at all.

    Something on your system outside of Photoshop is intereferring with event handling, specifically mouse clicks (mouse up/ mouse down).

    But we don't know what that might be.

    zBosonAuthor
    Known Participant
    April 13, 2011

    I can confirm that the sticky slider issue is not solved by running Photoshop in 32-bit mode.

    zBosonAuthor
    Known Participant
    April 11, 2011

    I must clarify that what my original post is about is NOT a "lag". I do not experience any kind of lag with the mouse, i.e. clicking or dragging that happens later than it should. What I experience is the mouse staying "clicked" even after I release it. It stays like that indefinitely, until I click again. Then it would get released and all is back to normal, until it happens again.

    I don't think this has anything to do with the input device, as the problem never happens anywhere else but in Photoshop, and it also never happens when working on the canvas (i.e. it has never happened that I am drawing something with the Brush tool and the tool keeps drawing as I move the mouse even after I am no longer clicking). By "mouse" I mean "pen tablet" and by "clicking" I mean "when the pen is pressed onto the tablet".

    By the way, I have also notices keys sticking, such as Shift and Alt. Say I'm doing an "Alt + Space + Click & Drag" to zoom in via the "Scrubby Zoom" feature. I release Alt and start to pan around with "Space + Click & Drag", I find that the canvas still zooms in and out as I move the cursor left and right, as if I was still holding Alt down. Pressing Alt again fixes the issue. This only happens from time to time, and it's probably off-topic actually, though it may be related.

    Known Participant
    April 11, 2011

    there was a bug in the OS that was supposed to have been fixed with a previous update 10.6.6/10.6.7?  Jesper Storm Bache (adobe) created a script to "unstick" keys. I'm now on 10.6.7 and still find that this little script comes in handy. So the question is whether this bug was fixed in the OS update or whether there is another bug around?

    here's the link to the script, I wonder if it will unstick your sticky scrubbers?

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/3296632

    Participating Frequently
    April 11, 2011

    This happens to me as well but I've only ever seen it in the layers pallete, such as dragging a layer or changing visibility. It also does not happen often enough, maybe 2-3 times a week, to be able to tell if something would fix it.

    10.6.6, CS5, Wacom Intuos 4

    April 11, 2011

    Yes, that's mainly where I see it too (i.e. the Layers palette).  I notice it in the History palette too—as I attempt to undo the unwanted results that occur because of this bug.  On that note, the lag I see in the History palette may only be a continuation of the lag I experience in the layers palette.  Sometimes the lag even "sticks."   …meaning that when it occurs, I have to actively click, click, click around to  un-paralyze it. This could be what's going on when I click on the History palette (meaning that there may not be a problem with that palette).

    You say that you experience this 2–3 times/week.  Are there any particular steps you take to deal with it when it pops up?

    Participating Frequently
    April 11, 2011

    I usually just need to click once anywhere to 'unstick' it, then undo whatever it just changed. I don't think it has ever required more than one click to get it working again.

    I wonder if this could also be related to the other layer problem I have, where on rare occasions I try to drag a layer/background to another document and PS complains the layer is locked. I have to switch to another program and back to get it to work again. That probably happens about as often as the other layer issue.

    April 11, 2011

    So… I've been digging and digging since my previous posts, and in the process, I've found a plethora of other examples in which users describe similar/identical issues.  This issue is absolutely not limited to "two people," Chris.  It seems very widespread, in fact.  Here are but two such examples:

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/3050792

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/3605556

    In addition to those examples (which are right in-line with this thread), there are dozens of others describing various input-lag issues—whether while painting, clicking on menus, etc..  Surely there must be some effort underway to understand this problem, no?