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February 26, 2014
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Photoshop CC gradient banding

  • February 26, 2014
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I've been a using Photoshop for 20 years (as a design professional) and only since I switched to CC a few months ago, I get awful obvious banding when creating gradients. Even in rgb files, which sometimes used to occur in cmyk. Nothing seems to get rid of it, and I'm NOT looking for a noise or blur solution, please, so don't suggest that.

I did the same actions in Adobe 4 which I still have on another computer and it doesn't occur. I hate this. Any suggestions? I have a new latest iMAC so it doesn't seem like that would be the issue.

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    Correct answer Chris Cox

    It is not a problem - it is a result of having very smooth gradations display or printed on systems with quantization levels (how many bits are displayed/printed) that cause visible banding.

    And the solution is always the same: add enough noise to make the banding invisible.

    19 replies

    Participating Frequently
    July 10, 2015

    I have all these same problems with heavy banding on a large grey studio background and 500+ dancers' individual shots so I can't individually manipulate each photo, sooooo frustrating! I am not technically minded enough to solve this frustrating issue by myself, have tried moving the performance cache level to 1 (was on 4) and restarting PS CC and it seems to make no difference.

    My workflow and process:

    I always shoot in Raw, process in ACR (via Bridge), usually save as jpeg and then drag the selected jpeg's into PS CC for further processing, all on a MacBook Pro (OSX Yosemite now, same problem on Mavericks previously))  My 16 bit Raw photos shot in RGB (on a Canon 6D) open in ACR as 8 bit images.

    Any suggestions or else just add my problems to the general dissatisfaction with Adobe.

    Participating Frequently
    April 22, 2015

    Was there ever a fix for this?  I've been noticing it too.  I think it's a version issue, not a hardware issue.  I use CS5 at work (Imac) and don't have any banding in gradients (in my case, the edges of airbrushing).  The same file on CC 2014 at home and there's banding (Macbook Pro, same era as imac)

    Falcon1
    Participant
    April 30, 2015

    I'm in the same boat, tried everything and nothing helps! Using CS6/LR5/21.5" iMac.

    Participant
    December 11, 2014

    I disagree with Chris and other who say its "not a problem" and that we must be doing something wrong or not doing something to make the banding not show. And yes, it IS a problem and much worse with CC than on CS6 for example. I can open up the EXACT same images with CC and CS6 and the horrible banding only shows up in CC using the same preferences and settings. Its been this way since CC came out. I wouldn't care so much how it is DISPLAYED on my monitor as that is simply a limitation of most if not all monitors. The problem is.... its saving it into the image and PRINTING the same way.

    I have not been able to "fix" this issue since CC came out. It sux.

    Participant
    December 11, 2014

    Actually i take one thing back from what i said. I can make the gradiant banding go away by converting to cmyk mode.... umm, yah that doens't work when sending these photos to pro labs from printing. need to be RGB as always. So, doesn't help

    Participant
    September 26, 2014

    I have the same problem here. I'm using CS5. I run some tests on CC and the same problem occured.

    The biggest problem on my side is the banding is visible when it's printed. I use to color Caillou books for years, with different printers from all over the world and the banding problem appears at some places. So I guest it's not a screen problem. Neither a computer or display or graphic card performances. It seems to be a problem with the brushes of Photoshop.

    On this example, I've boosted the effect to accentuate the banding problem. I have few more examples like this one, but this one is the most visible.

    Chris Cox
    Chris CoxCorrect answer
    Legend
    September 26, 2014

    It is not a problem - it is a result of having very smooth gradations display or printed on systems with quantization levels (how many bits are displayed/printed) that cause visible banding.

    And the solution is always the same: add enough noise to make the banding invisible.

    Participant
    September 26, 2014

    I work on a 8 bits document usually. I might consider using the heavier 16 bits from now on.

    So, of what you know, there is no way to create that kind of gradient without adding noise? Sadly this solution brings another problem: the noise.

    Idaho Airships, Inc.
    Known Participant
    April 4, 2014

    Greetings from Boise. I'm in a big rush so didn't go through all the answers, but have some suggestions (late to the party, I know).

    In RGB banding is more likely if you have a dominant hue, such as Blue (which accounts for far less than 10% of any Pixel's Luminance value). Additionally, it is more likely if you are working in 8 bits per Channel: this is due to "Quantization," or the Luminance "steps" between various Channel values. In 8 bits, there is a noticeable difference between, say, 125 and 126. Again, this is most noticeable with a dominant Hue. Human vision is very sensitive to Luminance Deltas (differences).

    Work in 16 bits, aRGB (not PPRGB, nor sRGB). I know there are arguments for sRGB, but: http://www.forensicallyfit.net/2012/04/16/argb-srgb-gamut-accuracy-conversion-delta-e/

    When you build the Gradient, in the Gradient Dialogue Box ensure that you select adjust the "Smoothness" control up. This will produce a dithering in the Gradient to combat Posterization. Additionally, when you have the Gradient Tool Selected, check your Options ToolBar to ensure that the Dither checkbox is selected.

    There are some very clever things you can do like overlaying and averaging Gradient Layers, but I mention that because it is only necessary in extreme cases.

    Here's a good exercise: generate a monochromatic (0-255) Linear Gradient without Smoothing and without Dither. Note the shape of the Histogram: it is "platykurtic," meaning that it is very flat and regular.

    Now-without changing the Gradient Stops or Colors, apply Smoothing and/or Dither, or both:

    Now the Histogram is neither evenly distributed nor smooth. This tells you-primarily-that what amounts to Noise (synthetic value Pixels) are being generated by PS in the background to blend the various Quantization Levels. You will probably not find them objectionable in even large prints. This is a superb way to mitigate "banding."

    Finally, you should know about a "gotcha." You'll notice (using your Info Window) that the Pixel Values of a 16 bit Document range from 0-32768, which represents 15 bits, not 16 (which would range from 0-65535). So, you are actually working in 15 bits, but the difference is unimportant to the human eye...unless, like me, you hallucinate a lot. Ahem. Anyway, you are in 15 bits (this is done to accomodate Blending Mode math).

    Participant
    March 14, 2014

    I switched camera from Canon to Hasselblad. Now I see banding in Photoshop. I use top of the line Eizo monitor.

    The strange thing is that all looks fine in Phocus, Lightroom and Camera Raw. See attached screenshot.

    What's going on?

    PS CC to the left and Camera Raw to the right.

    Link the the image: http://www.botvidsson.se/waste/banding.jpg

    http://www.botvidsson.se/waste/banding2.jpg

    Herbert2001
    Inspiring
    March 14, 2014

    I opened your jpg in Photoline, and the banding was quit obvious in both versions, until I switched to 16pbc. Then the right version looks much better. In Photoshop CS6 I did not need to switch to 16bpc to see the right version looks better (PS probably uses some internal 16pbc-->8bpc conversion for improved gradients blending).

    However, Jpg is the worst format to use for this particular example: a 16bpc png or tiff would give us a better idea of what is going on.

    Having said that, the dithering used to reduce banding in the left version seems to be of a lesser quality compared to the version on the right - which would explain the higher quality of the right version.

    To create a much better 8bpc version I applied some grain/noise to a 50% grey layer in overlay mode and a layer mask to avoid adding noise in the brighter areas of the image:

    www.estructor.biz/testje/banding3.jpg

    Can you upload the same image in a 16pbc format?

    Noel Carboni
    Legend
    March 7, 2014

    I'm surprised to see no mention of dithering settings in this thread.

    I too would like to try to see or reproduce the problem.

    -Noel

    Participant
    March 4, 2014

    I am having the same issue and was thinking it was my monitor until tonight.  I realize now that it's PS CC that's causign the problem.

    I had the CS6 subsctiption before I upgraded to the photographer's bundle with LR.  When I first noticed the banding working in PS CC, it didn't occur to me that it was the change in software...

    I also have an iMac, but mine is much older than yours as I got it early in 2010.  When I first noticed this banding, I thought it was my computer that was causing the problem,  but I now I really don't think that's the problem.

    Tonight, I re-processed some photos of Northern lIghts that I took and first processed back in July.  At that time I was using the online version of PS6. 

    While doing these new edits tonight, I noticed the banding and was unhappy with it.  I attributed it to my computer and did my best to ignore it.

    Then I brought the new PSD files back into my LR catalogue and looked the old PSD files(which I thankfully kept).  The original files I processed in July with CS6 are beautiful and clean with smooth and creamy looking transitions.  The ones I just processed with PS CC are unacceptable and look like Netflix on a bad day, and I wouldn't even show them publicly.

    It's late now, but I need to put in a support ticket as this is unacceptable.  I want CS6 back...

    Lisa

    Chris Cox
    Legend
    March 4, 2014

    No, this is not a problem with Photoshop CC.

    It could be a problem with your display profile (try changing it in the system settings) or your video card driver (try updating it from the GPU maker's website).

    Participant
    March 7, 2014

    Then why are the files saving with the problem showing on other peoples' computers, and why do I have a copy with the exact same NEF file, done on the exact same computer, but with CS6 that looks clean, while the one done with PS CC looks so bad the files aren't usable?

    The jpegs save with the problem visible.

    Inspiring
    February 26, 2014

    Is the banding showing up in print or on-screen?  Or both?  In the old days, banding showed up in low res monitors or monitors showing only 256 colors.  I wonder if it could be related to the monitor or the video card?  I still do not understand how software development has not evolved to the level of zero defects.  That goes for hardware, too.  They wrote these applications and operating systems years ago and I would think that, by now, they'd have perfected everything to work in concert.  Guess I got a wiff of laughng gas.

    brooxartAuthor
    Participating Frequently
    February 26, 2014

    I think it's a screen issue since after I posted this I thought I'd try it on my older iMac. Looks fine. Spent hours on phone with AppleCare and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Never heard of banding. Right.

    Sent from my iPhone

    Herbert2001
    Inspiring
    February 26, 2014

    A quick test if the video card is causing these issues is to turn off hardware acceleration in the preferences, and restart Photoshop.

    Does it still occur after turning that off?