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March 27, 2022
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Printout too magenta, ICC profile needed maybe

  • March 27, 2022
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I scanned a color headshot photo, and now want to print it. Photoshop shows the photo looking like the original. But when printing, the result has a slight magenta tint. The printer is a Canon MG6220, and I'm on Windows 10 with Photoshop 23.2.2. I have color management on the printer turned off. I'm using Fujifilm Premium Plus Glossy 65lb paper. But I don't see any ICC profile to choose that seems to match, so it just used the ACES Academy Color Encoding Specification option, which I guess is the default. I don't know which profile is the best, or if I need to install another. The attached screencap shows most of the available options. Thanks in advance!

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Legend
March 28, 2022

Did you install the printer drivers from the manufacturer's website?

I found your model on the Canon website, looked at the contents of the installer - there is a set of color profiles that (in my experience) quite accurately describe the behavior of factory ink on Canon photo papers, depending on the selected print profile. Yes, if you use paper from another manufacturer, the color will differ, but in any case, this difference will be less than what you get using the first RGB profile that comes to hand.

If you still get poor results with these profiles, then you'd be better off looking for someone nearby to help you print a test pattern and build a profile specifically for your printing conditions.

 


@NB, colourmanagement wrote:

It's really unlikely that Fuji will have produced a printer / paper profile for such a printer as that Canon wireless all-in-one. 


I have used several Canon printers and I have always had the feeling that they use the same type of ink for all consumer models. At least the profiles that I built for the same paper but different printers were almost identical. So I admit that there may be such a profile on the paper manufacturer's website.

 

UPD: The paper manufacturer's website only offers profiles for Epson/Fujifilm printers.  

NB, colourmanagement
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March 28, 2022

Bruce, "ICC profile needed maybe"

I'd say definitely!

It's really unlikely that Fuji will have produced a printer / paper profile for such a printer as that Canon wireless all-in-one. 

You could, of course, have a custom personal ICC profile made, if you're confident you like that paper. If you are US based, then I suggest using Chromix.com for that, please mention my recommendation. Rick there is super helpful.

 

OR - as we have suggested earlier try Photoshop's "Printer manages color" and test with a Canon photo media that’s listed there in the driver's print settings / media options.

If that works - now's the time to test the effect of throwing a variable in, in the form of unsupported media like the Fuji material. 

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer:: co-author: 'getting colour right'
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josephlavine
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March 28, 2022

I doubt that there is an ICC profile for your printer and paper combination. My suggestion would be to turn on Printer Manages color and adjust accordingly.

warmly/j

NB, colourmanagement
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March 28, 2022

Don't work in the ACES (video specific) colourspace.

Don't use ACES as a printer profile either.

If you don't have a printer profile, specific the the media you're using - then selecting "Printer Manages Color" and next selecting the right [in print settings] media name will allow the driver to select a hidden internal ICC paper profile (in most drivers). This should provide reasonable colour management of the print IF you use a Canon paper that’s listed there in the driver's media options. 

Once you have that working its time to test the Fuji media (why? - of course Canon do not provide a setup for other manufacturer's papers) 

 

Do you calibrate/profile the screen? If the screen is not accurate it can mislead you as to the actual image appearance. 

Try this download - it has 'memory colours' such as natural skin-tone - and neutrals so is a good test of display appearance.

You can print it too, of course.

 

I use this to check overall system accuracy: 

"Have you ever wondered how to KNOW whether your screen [or printer] is ACCURATE and not just 'pleasing'?
If so please check this out": http://www.colourmanagement.net/products/icc-profile-verification-kit

 

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer:: co-author: 'getting colour right'
google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management

Conrad_C
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March 28, 2022

@Bruce23775472ayyq wrote:

so it just used the ACES Academy Color Encoding Specification option, which I guess is the default.


 

No, don’t choose ACES for printing. ACES color is strictly for professional video/cinema editing. The “Academy” in the profile name refers to the same Academy that hands out movie awards at the annual Academy Awards ceremony in the US (which by coincidence, was this weekend).

 

The fact that ACES is at the top of the list is not because it’s the default; it’s first in the list because the list is alphabetical and ACES starts with an A. 🙂

 

If you are turning off color management and the printer and enabling Photoshop Manages Colors, there is no good default because using that combination of settings assumes you must have a profile more precise than the default. So to print that way, you do have to select a profile precisely matched to the printer/paper combination, which you might have to download from Fujifilm. Or sometimes the paper maker’s website will tell you that another available profile will work fine. Ideally, the paper instructions (whether included or on the paper maker’s website) should tell you which specific combination of Canon printer driver settings and ICC profile will give you the best prints on that paper, so you may need to do a little research.

Community Expert
March 28, 2022

Hi, eventually you can always make an your own profile!

For example:

https://www.color-management-guide.com/how-to-calibrate-printer-with-spectrophotometer-kit.html

 

D Fosse
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March 28, 2022

Icc profiles are usually not available for consumer/all-in-one printers. If you don't see any matching profiles, there aren't any.

 

So in that case you have to use "Printer manages color", you can't use "Photoshop manages color".

davescm
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March 27, 2022

A printer profile is a description of the output of a particular device, in this case your printer/paper and ink combination. So it is very specific to that combination. It is then used by the colour management system to alter the RGB values stored in the document, and described by the document ICC profile, to those sent to the printer driver in order to correct the colour.  The ACES profile option is not a description of your printer/ink and paper combination (it is not actually a printer profile at all) so using it as a printer profile will lead to incorrect colour.

If you cannot find an ICC profile that does match, then you may be better off setting Photoshop to "printer manages colour" and adjusting the colour in the printer driver. Whilst not as accurate as a proper ICC colour managed workflow it may be more accurate than a broken workflow using incorrect profiles.

 

Dave