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Problem with images dulling when pasted into a psb file

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I’m having a problem with color dulling when I paste a small image into a very large psb file.

I’m a fine artist in the maybe-unusual situation of working on a 98” x 58” map of the world, in psb files that sometimes approach a thousand layers (my son built a special computer for me to be able to manage all this). I'm currently painting smaller scenes, then digitally collaging high-res photos of them into this very large map. I can move my color-manipulated photos from and to TIFF, PSD, and PSB files maintaining my color manipulation. But suddenly, when I try to paste the image into my huge map file, the color dulls unacceptably. I’ve been trying all kinds of things to figure out why this could be happening, but with no success. Any ideas how I can maintain full color vibrancy in this particular psb file?

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Correct answer D Fosse

OK, the "Untagged RGB" is now appearing in my status bar.  So I made a huge mistake when I created this file 3 years ago!  Right now I'm under pressure to complete this piece for an upcoming exhibit, so for now I will have to continue with the "Place Embed" approach, because I'm afraid of what giving this a color tag (which I have no experience/knowledge of) will change some of the hundreds of images I've used.  But clearly I need to keep learning for the future so this doesn't happen again.  I always just clicked RGB in the Mode menu, and I thought that's all I needed to do.

I don't know what screenshots of the involved images are important to you, because I've worked with literally over 1000 layers in this 98" x 58" file.  I've been having this dulling problem only with all digital photos of my painting - except for one, taken by the same photographer.  Do you need to see screenshots of all those photos?  


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OK, the "Untagged RGB" is now appearing in my status bar.


By @Anne5C6B

 

So then, case closed. Never work with untagged images. If there is no profile, you need to assign one.

 

What you have now, using an embedded smart object, just sweeps the problem under the carpet for now. You still have an untagged master file, and the problem will return when you rasterize that smart object for final output.

 

It may look fine, for now, on your system using your monitor, but you have no idea how it will look on other systems using another monitor, let alone when it's sent to print.

 

The whole point of using icc profiles is that these variables are taken out of the equation. The profile defines the colors. Without a profile, the colors are undefined and random.

 

So which profile to assign? If you want the file to look as it does now, go into Photoshop's color settings and see what your working RGB is. It will probably be sRGB IEC61966-2.1, or possibly Adobe RGB. Assign that, whichever. That's the profile Photoshop uses internally to display the image when there is no embedded profile.

 

The problem with the working space is that it does not follow the file, not even in a copy/paste. That's why the profile is embedded. It then travels with the file wherever it goes, defining the color, and ensuring all future conversions are correctly performed. 

 

Once the file has an embedded profile, the working space is no longer important. The embedded profile will always override it. And that's the way it's supposed to work. The working space is just intended as a fallback default.

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c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 16, 2023

Please set the Status Bar to »Document Profile« and post meaningful screenshots of the involved images. 

Anne5C6BAuthor
Participating Frequently
March 16, 2023

Thanks so much for that screenshot.  Could you tell me where that menu window is?  I can't find Status Bar.

c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 16, 2023

The Status Bar is at the bottom left on untabbed images, see the screenshot. 

 

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TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
March 15, 2023

Let's see your color settings. Are you pasting different color spaces from one document to the other?

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Anne5C6BAuthor
Participating Frequently
March 16, 2023

By color space you mean RGB vs CMYK or whatever?  I always use RGB.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
March 16, 2023
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By color space you mean RGB vs CMYK or whatever?  I always use RGB.


By @Anne5C6B

More like sRGB vs ProPhoto RGB etc.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Myra Ferguson
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 15, 2023

Does it still appear dull if instead of pasting it into your PSB, you use either File > Place Embedded... or File > Place Linked...

Anne5C6BAuthor
Participating Frequently
March 16, 2023

WOW, that worked!  I don't know what either of these tools do, but Place Embedded (which is the one I tried) maintained the color correction beautifully!  Can I just move ahead with using this file, changing it into a TIFF for printing, etc, etc, with no difference from the way I've been doing those things for years?  Thank you sooooo much for your help!

Myra Ferguson
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 16, 2023

You're very welcome. Would you mind marking my response as the correct answer so that others with the same question can find it? 🙂