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April 4, 2023
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Rich Black in Color Photos

  • April 4, 2023
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Is there a way to change the black in a color photo to rich black? That might be a dumb quesion, but I sent a PDF to a publication but she told me that the black in the photo is 100% k and not rich black. I converted the PDF to X-1a in InDesign (the publication's requirement). The image in question is definetely in CMYK. I don't know how to fix this.

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NB, colourmanagement
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April 5, 2023

Taking an RGB photo and converting to CMYK via an ICC profile will pretty much always result in some colour in the black areas. 

It's VITAL to have the correct CMYK ICC profile for this conversion since it sets not only ink limits but also controls ink recipes (as media and printing methods change so do the recipes for inks to make up image colours) . The printer or their agents should be able to give you this info. Guessing a CMYK profile is not a good idea. There IS NO GENERIC all purpose for CMYK profile. 

 

In order to stick within the ink limits of the print process in question it's also important not to do tonal edits after the RGB>CMYK conversion unless you have a high level of expertise. 

 

I hope this helps
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D Fosse
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April 4, 2023

I can't really see how a photo can have 100K black and not rich black, unless you deliberately made it so by editing the CMYK channels individually.

 

100K black prints on the black plate only, and usually overprints the other inks. It is normally used for text and graphic elements in a design. You can do that in InDesign, by defining a swatch as either, but not easily in Photoshop.

 

Rich black is all four inks, each at a certain % coverage that adds up to the total ink limit in the CMYK profile. Typical CMYK numbers will be someting like 78-68-58-94 or around that (those numbers are for ISO Coated 300% eci). That's the deepest black you can get in that CMYK profile.

 

If you convert an RGB file to any given CMYK profile, you get rich black. You do not get 100K black. A profile conversion will always result in rich black.

 

The visual appearance of 100K black is much weaker (grayer) than rich black. That stands to reason, since it uses only one ink as opposed to all four.

Participant
April 4, 2023

Thank you for replying. I was thinking the same things but I wanted others opinions. I think there was miscommunication at the publication and that is what was relayed to me. They said the ink density is too great because of the dark image and the image needed to be rich black.

Legend
April 4, 2023

"They said the ink density is too great because of the dark image and the image needed to be rich black.". Well this is a puzzle. You also quote "she told me that the black in the photo is 100% k and not rich black". The thing is, 100% k has LESS ink density than rich black. Something doesn't add up. I wonder if the image is actually 100% of all c,m,y,k. Anyway, it's easy enough to check with the eye dropper tool. What do you see?