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saving fine art photos for web so as to show work but not be good enough to steal

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Hi there,

I hope I'm asking in the right place, I've been going around in circles online for a long time and am pretty stuck.  One reason I am stuck is that I am creative and all that but not up to date with all the techical stuff and to be honest my brain just starts to shut down and I don't think it helps that online there's such a varied plethora of answers- and much contradiction!

 

So essentially my issue is: I have some lovely fine art photography that I'll be exhibiting in real life for the first time and starting to sell ltd ed prints of v. soon.

 

I obvisoulsy need to put them on the galleries website, my own and socials but I'm worried that they can be copied and stolen. Whilst I understand there's no absolute way to stop this I can see that I can reduce the pixel dimensions and also compress the file to make it less appealing to do so - certainly to make the image rubbish for printing- but of course I don't want it to be too rubbish so that the image isn't "sold" to the viewer.

 

So... there's A LOT online, so confusing. Also I've gotten into a muddle with technicalities in P.S 'image size' command. When I change pix dimesions, different things happen whether I am also changing ppi from 300 to 72 (have read a lot about this and still confused).

Also whether I'm meant to use this legacy 'save for web' or 'export as' to compress and maybe even resize at same time?

I did use 'save for web' for a photo comp entry, where they needed small file sizes for the entries and drastically reduced file size - I thought that would also affect quality but realised that at full magnification the image is not only same size but no pixelation/ quality reduction- which I suppose is good if all you want to do is reduce file size not image quality but I actually want to make these versions of my work unprintable (at any decent size anyway).

I am starting to understand different aspects to this like how screen resolution comes into play but my head remains muddled to be frank...

I wonder, rather than trying to unpick all of the above if someone would be kind enough to talk me through their opinion/ knowledge of the best way to acheive what I'm aiming for rather than trying to unpick  my muddles. I always find on messages that muddles can get worse... if i could have someone sat next to me to talk it through I'd be so happy!

 

Perhaps if I had a very clear guide on the best way to acheive the end goal the rest of it just wouldn't matter or I can save it for another day when I'm not trying to acheive a specific thing.

 

So, ultimately I need to put my fine art photography on websites- just good enough quality to sell the work but not good enough that it's can be copied and printed/ stolen.  

For that I think, (correct me if I'm wrong) I need to reduce pixel dimensions, (600px on longest edge was mentioned elsewhere online,) and compress the file, (not sure what it should be compressed to to actually reduce image quality).

Alos am I best using 'Image size', 'save for web, (legacy)' or 'export as' and what setting (s) am I aiming for to acheive desired results?

 

I know some of this will be subject to different opinions but if someone can help me distill this to a plan I can follow I'd appreciate it immensely, (as I've googled til my eyes are ready to fall out and my own 'experiments' have not yielded reliable results- I'm sure because I just don't understand enough about it all.)

 

Ultimately though I just want to get my art work out there as safely as possible rather than trying to become a full expert at this as to be honest it is just not my stregnth.

(I am not at this stage going for watermarks).

 

Thanks in advance!!

Evie : )

 

 

 

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Legend
May 15, 2024

I'm a working pro and my take? Don't worry about it. Register your work with the proper authorities and move on. Watermarks are useless to prevent image theft. Learn how to use the various image search tools online but otherwise, life is too short to stress about it. You can't prevent someone from taking your images if they want to.

Eve1285작성자
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May 16, 2024

thanks for the advice!

davescm
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May 11, 2024

'...I am not at this stage going for watermarks...'

 

I would strongly advise that you do. A simple text watermark with the opacity lowered so it is just visible but unobtrusive is easy to add and acts as an additional reminder that the work is yours and not free to copy.


The demo example below uses a bevel and emboss layer style, with fill lowered to 0% and opacity to 75%

Dave

Eve1285작성자
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May 13, 2024

Thanks both, I've been playing around with the settings and ideas today and feeling much more confident!

D Fosse, for the compression I've used 'low quality' (3) for the jpeg and gotten to 700 KB-  I have read though that images for web should be 500kB or less? Can't understand how to make it less as even if I set it to 1 it's still 700kb? (and that's even with a 600px wide image which is about as small as I should probably go I was thinking...)

 

Davscm- thanks so much for the advice- I totally hear you on the watermark and I am properly torn on this.. I was strongly advised against it by an advisor in the fine art world...  and there's so much debate about this online too and people saying they're quite easy to remove.. I'm still mulling it over though...!

 

 

 

 

 

D Fosse
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May 13, 2024

The thing about jpeg compression is that the final size varies with image content. Smooth areas compress much more efficiently than busy high frequency detail. It can be a 10x difference in size.

 

That said, a "normal" 600 pixel jpeg should be somewhere in the vicinity of 50 - 150 kB at a fairly high quality setting. If you can't get it below 700 kB at that size, it sounds like you may have excessive amounts of metadata in the file. If you use Export or Save For Web, that metadata will be stripped out. Try again.

 

Jpeg quality setting scales vary a bit between Save As jpeg / Save For Web / Export. But either way, 3 is too low. That shouldn't be necessary.

 

Just for reference, this is 1280 pixels wide, at quality 80 in Save For Web (which corresponds to 6 in Export, or 9 in Save). This weighs in at 372 kB:

D Fosse
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May 11, 2024

One thing I need to add.

 

In Image Size, the default resampling algorithm has sharpening built in, and the problem with that is that it oversharpens massively, with very unattractive edge halos as a result. I've no idea why they have this aggressive setting by default, but there it is.

 

I always change the algorithm to "Bicubic Smoother", which has no built in sharpening (or very little). Then it's much easier to apply your own custom sharpening.

 

I'd recommend the ACR filter for sharpening. The Detail slider is very good for controlling edge halos.

D Fosse
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May 11, 2024

Just reduce it to a pixel size unfit for printing larger formats, but still doing it justice on screen. 1000-1500 pixels long side will usually be fine.

 

Nevermind the ppi number, that's irrelevant.

 

Use Image Size with resample checked, and set your target pixel size.

 

If you want it to look good on screen, apply careful sharpening after resampling. Don't overdo it! You just want it to look crisp. For this, it's essential to set View > 100%. This means each image pixel is represented by exactly one physical screen pixel.

 

 

Eve1285작성자
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May 11, 2024

Thanks D Fosse, much appreciated! 

should I still compress the file afterwards in export as or save for web, (legacy)?

 

D Fosse
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May 11, 2024

You'd normally use jpeg for this, which is always compressed. You choose the compression level to balance file size vs. acceptable visual quality.