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November 19, 2018
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View different layers in different windows?

  • November 19, 2018
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Photoshop has a nice feature where I can go to Window>Arrange>New Window For [document name].  So, I can zoom in on a layer, work close-up, and still see a more complete version of that same layer alongside.  Those are, of course, two versions of the same layer.

Sometimes I'll make a selection.  I'll then want to compare the selection to the original image.  I might want to see how well I selected hair, or fur, or any other detailed piece by comparing my selection with the original layer.  That means viewing two different layers in the same document side by side.  Is there a way to do that?

I know I could duplicate the selection layer into a temporary document, then use Arrange to view the two windows.  I can also use the snip tool in Windows to accomplish the same thing.  But it would be convenient if it were possible to view two different layers in two different windows within the same document.

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    Correct answer JJMack

    You would need  to ask Adobe for a new feature uset the feedback site for that,  This is a user forum. Use this link Photoshop Family Customer Community

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    jane-e
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 19, 2018

    Hi Doc_Pit

    I don't know how far you've gotten in those two books you just bought on Channels and Masks, but they will also give you the same advice that you are reading here. Using a Layer Mask is non-destructive editing.

    What I don't see in this thread is how to make the mask. Make a selection and refine it with Select and Mask. Then click the Mask button in the layers panel. Editing the mask has already been covered.

    You can find lots of on-line tutorials about layer masking as well. Here's the one from Adobe Help:

    Use masks to hide layers in Photoshop

    ~ Jane

    Doc_Pit
    Doc_PitAuthor
    Inspiring
    November 20, 2018

    While I'm certainly no expert, I do have some experience creating masks, using channels and other methods.  The problem I run into is this: I may photograph an animal, cut the subject out from its background, then create a scene around that subject.  In creating a scene, I may pull a variety of trees, bushes, grasses, etc. from images in my catalog.  Often, whether the animal is the subject being extracted or whether I'm extracting some bush or clump of grasses, in any case, there is not a lot of uniform tonal contrast or uniform color difference between subject and background.  So, the usual methods (find the channel(s) with the greatest contrast, apply curves to increase contrast) these methods are of limited use.  I'm trying to bring up my skill level to where I can use tools like calculations, blend modes, etc. to make more effective masks and to minimize the amount of handwork I need to complete or to clean-up the selection. That's why I'm reading books on channels (and Scott Valentine's book on blend modes).

    Also, I seem to be giving the impression that I use selections instead of masks.  Rather, I use masks to make my selections.  That process (making the mask) most often involves several layers.  This is an issue because my "base file" (the file which receives all of these cutouts, blended into a scene) can become very large (sometimes approaching 40GB).  One method I might use to control this is to develop a system of "support files" (suggested by Chuck Ubele a la Bert Monroy).  Leave the several layers that comprise the mask in the support file.  Make the selection (the cutout) in the support file, then duplicate that single layer into the base file. If I need to modify that selection, I can do so in the support file and re-export to the base file.  I'm only now developing this method because file size has become an issue.  

    Doc_Pit
    Doc_PitAuthor
    Inspiring
    November 19, 2018

    I realize that Select and Mask does provide an opportunity to zoom-in and to preview.  Also, if I select from one layer and use ctrl+J to place that cutout on to another layer, I can just toggle the cutout's layer visibility to compare the cutout to the original, the objective being to verify that the cutout is as good as it appeared to be in the Select and Mask preview.  But, for purposes of verifying the quality of the selection (especially when it includes very fine detail) I like to zoom-in and view the cutout side-by-side with the original.  Then I can evaluate whether I really have exactly what I want.  As I mentioned, I can do that fairly easily by duplicating the cutout into another temporary document and then using the Window>Arrange feature to view the cutout vs. the original in two windows.  It would just be nice to do it more easily.  I will follow-up using the link JJ provide.  Thanks all.

    D Fosse
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 19, 2018

    What I don't understand is why you don't use a mask instead of a selection copied to a new layer?

    With the selection method, as you describe it, you're burning all the bridges behind you. It has to be perfect the first time because you can't go back.

    Using a mask instead, you can refine it to your heart's content as you go along. If you discover it's not perfect, you just paint in the mask until it is. That's your live preview.

    You can also turn on the mask rubylith overlay as you work:

    Doc_Pit
    Doc_PitAuthor
    Inspiring
    November 19, 2018

    Please correct me if I'm wrong here:

    I extract a subject from one image and place that subject into a new document, with the intention of creating a new scene around that subject. That document becomes my base.  So, I now have two documents:

    1) File size for my base is minimized because it includes only those pixels I actually need. (I don't need the mask, and I don't need the pixels that are being masked.)

    2) I save the selection with the original document.  Let's say I realize I should have done that cutout slightly differently.  I can open that original document, load that selection, use any of a variety of methods to modify that selection, and reselect to make a new cutout.  I can modify and reuse that selection any number of times.

    If this rationale is flawed, I'm very open to revising my thinking.  I very much appreciate the opportunities to learn which this forum affords me.  Thanks very much for responding.

    KShinabery212
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 19, 2018

    That would be an interesting feature.  Especially for those working with two monitors. 

    I think it is always good to make suggestions, as if enough people ask for the same thing then it could very well be implemented.

    Let's connect on LinkedIn. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kshinabery/
    davescm
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 19, 2018

    Hi

    I don't know of a way to do that in two windows , but if you use the select and mask workspace you can press P to toggle the original view and masked view,  so that you can see if you changes have made an improvement.

    Dave

    D Fosse
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    November 19, 2018

    What's a "selection layer"? Selections are global. Are you talking about masks? In that case you already have a live preview - or you can turn on the mask overlay.

    I understand what you're asking (I think), but there are already ways to do that...?

    Doc_Pit
    Doc_PitAuthor
    Inspiring
    November 19, 2018

    Sorry for the ambiguity.  By "selection" layer I simply meant the layer containing the result of the selection.  I might select a subject and do a ctrl+J to put that cutout on a new layer, i.e., a "selection layer."  Yes, that is somewhat sketchy.

    JJMack
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    JJMackCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
    Community Expert
    November 19, 2018

    You would need  to ask Adobe for a new feature uset the feedback site for that,  This is a user forum. Use this link Photoshop Family Customer Community

    JJMack