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Wrong image size when placing in CS6 [2012]

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October 17, 2012
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When I try to place a picture in photoshop CS6 either from drag&drop in the application window or from the place command, my image gets automatically resized based on the resolution (pixels per inch) of my document.

Example:

I create a new blank document, 1000*1000px @ 300ppi.

I have another image that I want to place in the document and this image measures 500*500px @ 100ppi.

I then go to File->Place and the image that appears is way too big. In the Info panel, it says that the image is 1500x1500 and the transform settings at the top indicate that the image hasen't been scaled because both width and height are at 100%

If I cahnge my document resolution (no resample) to 100ppi, the image has the right size when I place it.

So my question is: Is this normal? Because it has never done that with past versions of Photoshop. If it is normal, is there a way I can change this because placing an image based on it's physical (printed) size makes absolutely no sense. 1 pixel = 1 pixel.

Thank you for your help

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解決に役立った回答 Chris Cox

Thank you for the explanations and examples. I do understand all this and I have done similar tests to make sure sure of how the tool works before coming here to ask my question.

I don't want to sound like I am complaining and I am not trying to argue. But it still doesn't explain why photoshop is resizing the image based on its resolution and not pixel size.

Maybe I'm thinking it out too much but I guess the answer is "Just because. It was coded that way". I am sure there is a logical and practical reasoning to this from when it was created but it just doesn't make sense in my workflow that it is behaving this way.

If it still is this way, it must be because it fits the use of most people.

Then my next question would be following an example I gave earlier.

I have grabbed images on the web from different websites and put them in a folder on my computer. A lot of these images have different resolution (ppi). I want to make a moodboard out of them, put them all in one document, but I also want them to keep their original pixel dimension when I bring them in the document. What would be the best/fastest way to proceed?

- I can calculate the scale transform needed to bring it back to its original size. Based on the two resolutions.

- I can batch process the image to have their resolution changed to the same amount, without resampling.

- I can place the image as a smart object. Open the Smart Object. Change the resolution. Save the Smart Object and go back to the document. The image will update to its new size (which is weird to me because I haven't actually changed its pixel size, only it's "virtual physical size".)

- As Sudarshan suggested, I can open the images one by one and copy/paste them in the document.

These are the solutions I have at the moment but they all seem time consuming considering I must import a lot of images in the same document.

>> But it still doesn't explain why photoshop is resizing the image based on its resolution and not pixel size.

Because otherwise you couldn't use smart objects for placing FPO files, replacing content with higher resolution files.

And mixing documents of different resolutions would be a nightmare.

Photoshop honors the physical size you specified for your document.

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theredheadhenry

Known Participant

Was this ever fixed? Everytime I drag a file from windows explorer into PS it resizes it. I'm starting to think another program is the solution.

Stephen Marsh

Community Expert

Was this ever fixed? Everytime I drag a file from windows explorer into PS it resizes it. I'm starting to think another program is the solution.

By @theredheadhenry

I can't speak on behalf of Adobe, however, I believe that their perspective is that there is nothing to "fix", the feature works as designed.

I have some options in the following topic that you could explore:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/scripts-to-place-embedded-amp-place-linked-at-1-1-scale-ignoring-ppi/td-p/14032422

ThioJoe

Community Expert

In absolute AWE that this is still a problem in 2024. At least make it an option to ignore the ppi.

Yes, you can open the file as a separate document then copy and paste in, but:

I shouldn't have to do this to simply import an image at it's literal proper size
That becomes extremely annoying when handling several files. Again, I shouldn't have to use a script.

Do Adobe developers not use Photoshop themselves and think "hm this is kind of annoying" literally every time they use the program?

D Fosse

Community Expert

Yes, you can open the file as a separate document then copy and paste in

By @ThioJoe

Simpler to just drag it over. From inside Photoshop, that does not create a smart object.

The thing is - this is fundamental to the whole smart object paradigm. This is by definition how smart objects behave. It's not a "bug" or a "problem". It's how it's designed to work.

Smart objects were in large part invented for compatibility with vector data (e.g. from Illustrator), and this is the only way to achieve that. A vector object doesn't know what a pixel is. The only way to connect the two, is through the ppi number.

So you can like or dislike it, but this is how it has to be.

For my own work, I don't like this any more than you do. So knowing how this works, I don't make smart objects until the image is in the file. Then I have a keyboard shortcut. This is a problem that is really easy to avoid.

ThioJoe

Community Expert

I'm not talking about smart objects at all, I'm talking about importing a raster image from a file. Like dragging a file from Windows file explorer into the photoshop document window and playing the lottery on whether it will show up as 500% scale or 10% scale compared to the true resolution.

I don't want to import everything as a smart object because sometimes if I import a very large graphic, I do want to shrink it down before turning it into a smart object to save on the psd file size. On the other hand, if I import a graphic that is smaller than I want, I want to be able to see the native resolution of that image compared to the document so I can get a better idea of how much I can expand it. And many times I want to do nearest neighbor scaling which has to be done before it's a smart object. The only way to actually see the 'real' size of a graphic is to open it as a separate document first.

All that is besides the point though. There should be an option to directly import a raster image into a document at its native pixel resolution compared to the rest of the document, and it makes absolutely zero sense that it's not possible.

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Anonymous

It's just as relevant for me. I don't work for physical media, I make graphics that will never leave the digital environment. Dear dev team, please add the checkbox "Ignore PPI for placed images".

D Fosse

Community Expert

It already exists: copy/paste.

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missveryvery

Participating Frequently

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that industry professional artists that have to actually pay for this program somehow don't understand copy and paste? You think that's what this is about? You think that this UNENDING PROBLEM is somehow not a problem? It is. IT IS. We're TELLING YOU it is. Adobe repeatedly acting like this is good and expected behavior when people tell them it's not, just mindlessly stating something like "that's copy and paste" without reading anything? You think that's a good way of handling anything?

Even if you were somehow right, then obviously this isn't messaged properly in any way, shape or form, huh?

The audacity of going up to someone and replying with impatience and rudeness to a DECADE OLD PROBLEM sums up everything wrong with Photoshop and Adobe. Ask an artist. Ask any digital painter you know. Ask them. I dare you.

I cannot believe this. You guys think you have a monopoly but let me tell you, it's shrinking. Fewer and fewer people on the art team need to use Photoshop. Even with a multi-million dollar company behind it, this is the response we get? YOU JUST GOT BETTER BRUSHES. How on EARTH can you think you know better and know how artists use your program?

Meanwhile, EVERY update to CSP, my coworkers will be talking EXCITEDLY about new features. We pay attention to the release dates! Absolutely appalling. Do better. FIX THIS.

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Visual Chris

Participant

How on earth is there still no fix or anything for this. Do y'all want to be unprofessional on purpose (cursing removed)?

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Visual Chris

Participant

nevermind.. sorry
somehow didnt see the last posts.

There's on top of that also the option to keep resizing active and when needed right clicking on the smart object and choosing "Reset Transformation" which is the best way to go with imo.

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Cybran_M

Participant

How is still an issue?

I love how condecending some of the answers here are as well:

Photoshop resizing is not arbitrary however the way Photoshop works is very complex Pixel count doesn't always stay the same in fact sometimes there are two pixel resizing done. Therfore Photoshop behavior at first confuses its users and may seem to think its arbitrary. Its not arbitrary and once understood it no longer a problem.

It's very arbitrary when you're working in exact px size, I dont care at all what ppi the image has. Im never going to print them, I just need them to be the correct damn pixel size.

Or the ever helpful:

This is actually a very useful feature as Photoshop tries to match the resolution and image dimension to match your current canvas size.

Yeah for you maybe its a good thing but for me it randomly destroys images I import, very good feature /s

Are you corporate shills for Adobe because it seems like you're purposefully misinterpreting the issue.

Just give us an option to disable this very annoying ppi rescaling nonsense

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AEKL

Participant

Or provide a mechanism to re-size the pasted object/image independently of anything else?

D Fosse

Community Expert

Or provide a mechanism to re-size the pasted object/image independently of anything else?

By @AEKL

There is: copy/paste.

Everybody: this is how smart objects are designed to work. They honor the physical print sizes, not the pixel sizes. Effectively, it makes a raster/pixel image behave as if it was a vector object. That's the purpose of this.

And the reason is mainly for compatibility with vector applications like Illustrator. It's the only way it can work.

If you don't want this behavior, don't use smart objects. Just copy/paste instead, which will honor the pixel sizes.

Note this preference. Also note that the option to "resize during place" is just to limit the size to the current canvas, to prevent oversizing:

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missveryvery

Participating Frequently

These responses are incredible. In the sense that they're apalling. I have never met a single person that wants this behavior nor expects it. If would be nice to select images in windows and drag them onto your canvas and they're the CORRECT SIZE. The idea that someone should have to run a script or batch process to do the correct thing "bring image into document at the size that it actually is", is ridiculous and the responses to the contrary are rude and patronizing.

Google this general question and you will see many artists with the same problem and confusion. Every artist in my office knows this behavior exists and have to work around it. Most people assume it's a bug in Photoshop and watch how it never gets fixed, update after update, year after year. But we expect it, we're all used to Adobe never fixing anything that bugs people.

Are you guys respoinding devs for Adobe? Is that who you are? Because if you are, if this behavior is on purpose, and you guys know about it, I'm going to lose my mind. I dare you to do a survey on this behavior. Ask what artists expect. I'll give one of you $50 bucks if someone runs a poll and asks if people like that thing and people say "yeah that's what I want/expect".

ALSO! The fact that ticking/unticking the boxes does nothing??? Not okay! WHAT?
This post is from 2012. It's 2021. Fix this.

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Beckruss

Participating Frequently

I have never seen anything helpful from adobe representatives in any of these threads. All responses are always rude, unhelpful, and patronizing. How was this thread started in 2012 and still no resolve.... "moving this discussion elsewhere because this thread is full of photoshop n00bs trying to learn the basics of photoshop" LMAO /whAT? These are near photoshop professionals displaying a competent level of knowledge who are needing the bugs of this app to be sorted out that yall can't report to higher ups 10 YEARS LATER. People pay hundreds, thousands annually to have access to photoshop for their professional graphic designer teams. Adobe should be working overtime to make sure their product is up to par, bugs sorted, users HAPPY. I can't wait until a more sophisticated photoshop equivalent with a better equipped programing team comes along and blows adobe off the map. The clock is ticking.

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sgghostrider

Participant

Almost a decade later... and there is still not an option to tick out this behaviour, why it's so difficult? Just make an option to place by PPI or by Pixels for who want each one... dammit... nowdays almost all work goes for digital uses, i don't care if the metadata of the image says it's a 99999ppi and my project is 1ppi, when the image is 16x16 and i want to place it in my image it MUST occupy EXACTLY 16x16 pixels!!! not 0,000016x0,000016 nor 160000x1600000!!!!

MelStinger

Participant

How is this still an issue after 7 years?

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Anonymous

This is all good if maybe your working in pictures or something...

Im working in the actual pixel sizes and trying to create a debris sheet based on other smaller images.

Image below should be selfexplanatory.

Gyazo - 8ae34a4b129df12b57aa040928088143.png

Unbelivevably annoying...

Best regards,

Bishiba92

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Justan Othervideoguy

Participating Frequently

I agree - this is poor default behaviour. It took me a while to to identify this issue. Dragging multiple images into a new psd (with the "resize during place option" turned off) and photoshop is scaling my images without my knowledge and saying that they are 100% scaled when they are not. I then had the psd file in an after effects composition and couldn't understand why some details were soft.

1:1 pixels and ask before modifying please.

realfoil

Participant

+1 on a request for forcing to match pixel-for-pixel when dropping images.

I'm working on hundreds of unique documents built at 300dpi by vendors who provided them, and dropping them into a 72dpi document. Of course, I have to manually resize each to its native, pre-existing pixel resolution, which seems nonsensical. It would be wonderful to have this option, and honestly, seems like a no-brainer.

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