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Inspiring
April 7, 2017
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How is H264 interlaced handled?

  • April 7, 2017
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Hi

Running 1920x1080 all the way - but wonder about what is usually available 24p or 50i.

H264 has predictive frame in between I-frames, but how is this done with this kind of encoding.

If you are to encode just every other line you will get a lot of change on every P-frame.

Or is every frame presented and encoded the same, and player just picks every other line for presentation?

Like if 25p original, that you encode that H264 25 fps and it is up to player to pick each frame at double speed and presenting top line frame first, and then next frame 2nd line down every other line.

I like the smoother look on 50i, since I run PAL - but like it is tiny bit more grainy.

So would be great to know if any good reason for that.

Thanks.

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    Community Expert
    April 7, 2017

    What camera are you shooting with and what are you setting it at?

    Inspiring
    April 7, 2017

    I get 25p i general, no interlaced from camera. I can run 50p on one camera but have not tried that, but will probably use to get smooth slo-mo at some point.

    So I get normal H264 with predictive frames or the Canon All-I that is just H264 I-frames all the way as I understand it.

    I render for AVCHD only, either on DVD or memory stick of some sort.

    All is 1920x1080. Large majority currently is time-lapse, but will be normal video shooting later too at some point.

    In some editors I can choose whatever at rendering, progressive or interlaced.

    Since I can only select 23.97, 25 or 29.97 progressive in PRE I have tested in other editors to select interlaced 50 fps and like that better especially if doing pan with video. Anything else than camera do, 25 fps, always get some anomalies in movement.

    Don't know if AVCHD put restrictions on bandwidth, not quite like bluray as I understand it.

    I think you only get 24-30 fps progressive, or 50-60 fps interlaced.

    I am experimenting a lot to learn what gives what result, both shooting and editing wise.

    And in the end on Vimeo will test what they do to the matter - when I know how it works offline - and what give best results.

    So now trying to figure out how H264 works if doing interlaced - will it try to encode odd and even lines separately as two different frames?

    Or is it players job to double framerate if interlaced, and pick in two sets of lines/rows - and full frame is encoded once?

    Community Expert
    April 7, 2017

    I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question or even if you are asking one.  

    My understanding is that "interlaced" had a good purpose when we were using tube TVs and watching low resolution broadcast.  It might be better to ignore it from now on. 

    My copy of Premier Elements has so many output settings I'll never understand them all. 

    My personal pattern is to shoot everything "progressive".  It was 1920x1080p for a few years and is now 4K at 30p.  When a project is complete, I output using a custom option and take advantage of the "Match Source" button.  I put a copy on a flash drive for my TV and upload a copy to Vimeo.  Vimeo seems to have no trouble with what I send it.  ( Bill Sprague on Vimeo )

    Frankly, unless you are using unusual cameras or footage from unusual sources you may be trying to make this too complicated. 

    Good luck with your projects!

    Bill