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Proudpress2016
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November 2, 2017
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Why is it so tedious to change multiple pages in a PDF to B/W?

  • November 2, 2017
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I know how to change an entire document to black and white, rather easy, but we have many documents that need to be converted on specific pages only, currently, I have to put in a sequence of pages, but if i have a page that needs to stay color, i then have to skip that one. and do the actions over again, after the color page.

example: 50 page PDF. page 10, 20 and 25 are color, instead of being able to select those pages, or the inverted selection and convert. I have to go 1-9, 11-19, 21-24 and 26-50. this is rather tedious especially with larger PDF's. Isn't there an easier way?

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Stephen Marsh
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 6, 2017

Using Enfocus PitStop Pro, it is possible to enter in a “discontinuous” range of pages that an Action List can process:

There may also be a similar approach using the Callas engine licensed in Acrobat Pro, or perhaps by adding Callas pdfToolbox as a third party option.

Dov Isaacs
Legend
November 5, 2017

I find this thread rather interesting from a few points of view.

First of all, there is a capability to do color conversions for all, a single, or a range of pages. For example to go to grayscale:

Obviously, what is being requested is a facility to specify multiple separate pages or range of pages. There is no built-in way of doing this. Perhaps JavaScript can be setup for this although, quite frankly, by the time you were done, it would probably take as much time as it does to invoke the Convert Colors dialog multiple times.

However, one should note that virtually every PDF workflow system has such a capability of doing color => grayscale conversions as well and if you are sending the color pages to one printer and the monochrome pages to another, this might be something that you can handle at the RIP/DFE.

More importantly, though, is that conversions to grayscale often yield results that are not particularly pleasing, whether the content is colored text, vector, or raster. Such conversions lose the contrast of one color versus another. Objects in two totally different colors may appear exactly the same when converted to grayscale. One will note that in Photoshop, all sorts of options including “filters” are provided to guide conversions from color to gray following what used to be done in film-based black and white photography. For scenic photography, it was quite common to use yellow, orange, or even red filters over the lens to darken the sky, bring out the clouds, and contrast with the non-sky scene. Bottom line is that for pages to be printed in grayscale (i.e., black and white instead of color), color content needs to be carefully converted prior to PDF creation for optimal if not even readable results.

          - Dov

- Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)
Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 5, 2017

OP gets “CMYK/RGB”-B/W data as stated in this post: Re: Why is it so tedious to change multiple pages in a PDF to B/W? .

I suppose the user’s need is not very common. My print service provider would print those documents in colour giving that brownish ugly black with colour seams.

My opinion in this is, if you get the job, because you’re correcting your customers mistakes, go ahead and do it. If your customer is not paying you for this, don’t do it.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
Stephen Marsh
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 3, 2017

The only alternative that I can think of offhand is to convert an entire copy of the original file to mono, then use the tools/pages/replace feature to manually replace the various pages with the original full colour versions.

Proudpress2016
Participant
November 3, 2017

While useful, even then I would have to do so in sequences, like my first post, wouldn't I?

this is 2017, how hard is it for such a piece of software to be written, without being able to select & change pages in random order, not in a sequence. Unfortunately I have also not found any other useful software which is able to do so.

Stephen Marsh
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 4, 2017

Indeed, there are no free lunches!

Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 3, 2017

This is more a feature request then a technical problem that needs to be solved.

It would be for me interesting to see why you are looking for changing the pages in bw and why the pages are in colour to start with, if they do not need? If you use on your page design only the K component, it will be a bw page.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
Proudpress2016
Participant
November 3, 2017

Sorry for posting in the wrong section, wasn't quite aware of that.

Problem is most of the PDF's I don't create myself, they come out of word from customers and even the "black" text is in CMYK/RGB black.

If I were to make the things myself it would be perfect from the base up. Customers often give you garbage to work with.

Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 3, 2017

Unfortunately that is true...

Feature requests are posted from here: Feature Request/Bug Report Form

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer