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Nancy OShea
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August 7, 2022
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Do You Have Solar Power?

  • August 7, 2022
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Finally, the US has a Climate Change / Inflation Reduction Bill before the Senate that may get approved early next week.  Hurray!  The good news is that the Bill provides many incentives for people to switch to Solar Power.  It's something I have wanted to do for years. And this may be the best time to do it. 

 

How many people are currently using Solar Power at home, office or school?

 

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    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    March 28, 2023

    Mexico could soon be powering California and Arizona with solar energy. 

    Mexico is moving to power California and Arizona

     

    A 120-megawatt capacity photovoltaic plant in the Sonoran seaside city of Puerto Peñasco already began feeding the national grid last month, while another 300 megawatts are expected to be online next year.   The third phase of this project hopes to connect with the Western Interconnection that stretches from Western Canada to Baja California in Mexico. 

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 2, 2022

    This 100% solar community endured Hurricane Ian with no loss of power and minimal damage

     

    The storm obliterated nearby Fort Myers and Naples areas with record-breaking water surge and winds over 100 mph. It knocked out power to more than 2.6 million customers in the state, including 90% of Charlotte County.  But the lights stayed on in Babcock Ranch.

     

    Babcock Ranch calls itself “America’s first solar-powered town.” Its nearby solar array — made up of 700,000 individual panels — generates more electricity than the 2,000-home neighborhood uses, in a state where most electricity is generated by natural gas and fossile fuel.

     

    The streets in this meticulously planned neighborhood were designed to flood so houses don’t. Native landscaping along roads helps control storm water. Power and internet lines are underground to avoid wind damage. This is all in addition to being built to Florida’s robust building codes.

     

    Babcock Ranch is a tested model for planned communities of the future to follow.

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Participant
    December 29, 2022

    I'm using solar power at home. Tbh, I analyzed this decision for more months. At first, I was skeptical about switching to solar energy. This is because the initial cost of purchasing a solar system is pretty high.

    Participant
    December 29, 2022

    However, the guys from https://yenex.com convinced me investing in solar power is crucial. It can reduce or eliminate the need for fossil fuels to produce electricity. I'm happy about the results so far. I noticed an electricity bill reduction. So this change was definitely worth it.

    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    September 15, 2022

    California just endured it's worst record-breaking sustained heat wave on record.  The energy strain on our power grid was enourmous.  How did we avoid rolling blackouts and a grid failure?  Batteries!  That's right.  Massive industrial-sized solar storage batteries that generated 3360 megawatts of clean, safe power for the entire state.  That's more than the Diablo nuclear reactor which generates only 2200 megawatts of power.  

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-09-13/california-electric-grid-batteries-heat-wave-september-2022

     

    20 years of planning went into this project. Take note Texas. Deadly power grid failures are avoidable.  Please learn a thing a two from California's example.

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    thorn-neverwake
    Participating Frequently
    September 16, 2022
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    Massive industrial-sized solar storage batteries that generated 3360 megawatts of clean, safe power for the entire state.  That's more than the Diablo nuclear reactor which generates only 2200 megawatts of power.  

     

    The batteries provided approx 4% of the overall power demand. In 2021, Diablo generated 16,477,366 MWh of power. What was the total battery output for 2021?

    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    September 16, 2022

    The current solar battery system did not exist in 2021.  If you read the article, you'll learn more about it. 😉

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 24, 2022

    It appears our present gasoline-powered car will be the last one we ever own.  As of Jan 2035, sales of gas-powered cars will be banned in California.  Gee, I hope electric car prices come down soon. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/climate/california-gas-cars-emissions.html

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 22, 2022

    Sun Drenched Spain Turns on Europe's Biggest Solar Power Plant.

    Locally-produced, sustainable energy for 334,000 families.

    https://twitter.com/Iberdrola_En/status/1561612131740504065

     

    Way to go Spain!

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    George_F
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 23, 2022

    WOOT WOOT!  Impeccable timing on their part.

     

    I guess one thing we need to figure out with the uptick of solar is the recycling aspect, like @Ricky336 mentioned.  For what's hitting the market currently, we have 25 years though give or take.

    George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
    George_F
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 13, 2022

    @Nancy OShea Among many things, this post inspired me to look more seriously at solar over the past week.  I've been in contact with the company in our area that sells shares in solar farm collectives and I'm on track to be a part of their next project in 2023.

     

    It will actually save us money from our current power bill, and if we move to heat pumps it will cut our heating+cooling+electricity costs in half.

     

    Thanks for the inspiration!

     

    George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 17, 2022

    On a related note, Marjorie Taylor Green recently said, "renewable energy doesn't work at night."  Do we dare tell about the power pack or just keep her in total darkness?  🤣

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/marjorie-taylor-greene-solar-wind-power/

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    George_F
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 17, 2022

    🙄🙄🙄 One of the leading ways electric car batteries are being re-used solves that very problem!  I wonder if she's ever used a flashlight? 🤣

     

    George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
    Ricky336
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 8, 2022

    The effectiveness of solar power I think is debatable. It could take 10 years before you get your money back on the investment. 

    Your geographical location also has a role to play. Some places are not so sunny throughout the year. In Central/Eastern/Nothern Europe, the winters can be long and dark - so not much sun then! It also depends whether you have your own house, or live in a block of flats.

    And then there is the environmental impact as well. What happens to the solar panel when it has past its use-by date? Currently, it is not recycled. (Probably buried in land-fill!)

     

    The Dark Side of Solar Power (hbr.org)

     

    Our energy needs will exceed what so-called Green Energy can produce.

    What's more, despite the EU trying to be 'green', due to Russia, Germany wants to restart old coal-fired power stations in order to save natural gas.

     

    All the European countries returning to ‘dirty’ coal as Russia threatens to turn off the gas tap | Euronews

    Germany Says It Will Restart Coal Power Plants to Save Natural Gas - The New York Times (nytimes.com) 

     

    As time goes on, our energy needs will continue to increase.

    Where will all this come from to quench our thirst for energy?

    George_F
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 8, 2022

    You aren't wrong that a lot questions need to be asked about the effectiveness of solar.  The recycling dilemma in particular is concerning to me as well.

     

    We live in a northern climate and a friend of mine has solar panels on his house and has never had a power bill.  In combination with heat pumps he also has a very limited heating bill, and has also recently purchased an electric car that he also charges from the solar panels.  With energy costs in this area, I think he'll save $10,000 this year conservatively. 

     

    His panels also work on the shortest of winter days here.  Perhaps Northern Alaska would be a different story.

     

    I have another friend who has purchased a share in a solar collective.  The loan payments equaled what an electricity bill typically would so there isn't really extra cost for them.  This was before electricity costs spiked in our area, I believe they are actually saving money now.

     

     

    George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 8, 2022

    I received 3 quotes from local solar companies so far.  Where we live in California, a roof mounted array of 15 panels (400 watts/panel) can be purchased for about $2.64/watt. Includes a 25 year warranty on roof, service, inverters, racks & labor.  The Tesla Power Wall 2 is an extra $10K.

     

    In year 1, the panels would generate almost 8,400 kWh and save 6 tons of C02.  It looks feasible but we have a lot more research to do.

     

     

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    George_F
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 8, 2022

    I just read the average US home uses around 10,000 kWh yearly, so that would theoretically cover most of not all of your energy costs? 

     

    Not sure about you, but the $15,000 for the solar panels equals less then 10 years of electricity costs with current prices. 

    George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 8, 2022

    California's electric power is sourced from a mix of our own natural gas, renewable and non-renewable imports.

    https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/california-electricity-data/2021-total-system-electric-generation

     

    California's solar madate requires all new home construction to include solar rooftop panels. This goes for apartments & condos as well as detached homes.

     

    We have a small house with nearly year round sun exposure. So the cost of solar panels will cost about the same as what we currently pay for electricity, perhaps slightly more if our roof needs repairs.  But solar panels degrade about 1% each year. To offset depletion, some people add more panels over time.

     

    Solar panel recycling is already a thing in the US. I understand Canada & Australia are looking at similar reclaiming efforts.

    https://www.epa.gov/hw/solar-panel-recycling

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    George_F
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2022

    Solar is at the top of home improvement upgrades for me.  A neighbor of ours has a spot in a solar farm collective and really likes it.  She's been mostly shielded from both increased electricity costs in our area and increases in heating costs as well with the use of heat pumps. 

     

    We mostly heat with oil here in the northeast that follows the cost of diesel fuel.  It has basically tripled over the past year.  A cold year will now cost $6000 or more for me unless the price of oil comes down.

     

    Perhaps the upcoming incentives will push us over the fence on solar panels.

     

     

    George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 7, 2022

    Our power gets cut off every time the wind blows (fire threat).  We're sick of it. 

     

    Solar plus whole-house battery backup would be ideal and add a lot to the property value. 

     

    The local school has installed a solar panel array on their parking structure.  It powers electric cars by day and supplies the school with what they need.  What's left gets sold to the local power grid.  I see solar as a win, win for everyone. 🙂

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert