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Nancy OShea
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January 14, 2023
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Gas Appliance Controversy

  • January 14, 2023
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Natural Gas (methane) is still the fuel of choice here because it's in rich supply & cheaper than electricity.   Everyone here uses gas to heat their homes, water and cook meals.  We also have a gas clothes dryer that I really love.  

 

Safety concerns over gas powered appliances are nothing new.  They're dirty, they emit carbons. If not used properly,  gas can cause illness, death & possible combustion.   If you cook with gas (methane or propane), you already know that a gas leak is nothing to ignore.

 

There is no current or even proposed ban on existing gas appliances in the US yet.  But aging infrastructure has caused several human health & safety concerns.  The now infamous Aliso Canyon natural  gas leak made area residents sick for 4 months. It was terrible on many levels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliso_Canyon_gas_leak

 

And herein lies the quandary.  If faced with replacing aged out gas lines and appliances,  would you buy gas units again or opt for a cleaner & more efficient alternative?

 

I ask because my range is 25+ years old and  needs replacing.  The Inflation Reduction Act is offering financial incentives on purchases of electric stoves.  This might be my chance to ditch the gas range and replace it with an induction cooktop & built-in oven.

 

 

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    Jill_C
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    February 24, 2023

    Nancy, I remodeled my kitchen 2 years ago and got an induction cooktop. I've never had gas in the kitchen, and don't like to cook on gas. I've used an electric ceramic cooktop for 15 years. I LOVE the induction cooktop. It heats instantly and evenly, and is a dream to keep clean. Just spray and wipe. No drip pans. The burners turn off automatically a few seconds after you remove the pot. The handles never get warm. I rarely have to use pot holders. 

    I also replaced my washer/dryer a few months ago with a GE front loader. My water consumption has plummeted, and the dryer drys much faster than my 20+ year old model so I'm assuming I use less electricity overall. 

     

    Next will be the furnace. Natural gas prices have exploded, and may never come down much. Our gas bill was ~50% higher though consumption was similar to last year. I'm researching heat pumps, which offer cooling and heating (we don't yet have A/C).

    Jill C., Forum Volunteer
    Nancy OShea
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    February 24, 2023

    Heat pumps can use your existing HVAC ductwork if you have one. If not, budget for ductwork accordingly. Probably not a DIY project.

     

     

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Jill_C
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    February 25, 2023

    We have the ductwork in place because purchasing an A/C was an option when we bought this house (new) in 1989. About a third of our neighbors have A/C, but I've resisted. Last summer with heat exceeding 100 degrees for 5-7 days in a row, multiple times, just about sent me over the edge...

    Jill C., Forum Volunteer
    Warren Heaton
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    February 14, 2023

    I've had an electric for 20+ years and it's been fine.  I have a Duracell PowerSource 660 to power the fridge and the microwave during power outtages.

    Before 1994, I used to think it would be more practical to have a gas stove in the event of power outtages but then the 1994 Northrindge earthquake happened.  The kitchen cabinets and the range were torn from the walls and the fridge was in the dinning room.  Gas leaked from just about every structure in the neighborhood and the last thing I wanted was someone lighting an open flame of any sort.

     

      

    Nancy OShea
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    February 14, 2023

    In '94 we lived in West L.A..  Every chimney toppled except ours.  But I never used the fireplace again.  Our gas lines remained intact but depending on which side of the street you lived on, no electricity for 1-3 weeks.  Areas hit hardest by liquifaction had no gas for quite a while.

     

    As bad as Northridge was though it was minimal compared to Turkey & Syria's 7.8 😞.

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Warren Heaton
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    February 14, 2023

    I was living in Newhall, immediately north of Northridge.  Being that that was a 6.7, I'm nothing less than utterly horrified at the tought of a 7.8 followed by a 7.6.

    Imaginerie
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    February 12, 2023

    Ikea sells separate induction hobs that are relatively cheap
    https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tillreda-portable-induction-cooktop-1-zone-black-30546508/
    You can test for yourself, and if you decide to go for a big one, you can still use it say in a rented vacation place, or it's good for one first flat too (student accomodation and the like, if you got kids)
    I am all electric in the UK, and electricity have risen too. So it's not really a battle between electricity and gas, it's a battle for heat efficiency. I bought a "multi-cooker" (the fancy ones like Ninjas are too expensive for me so I bould a smaller, cheaper one).
    I can highly recommend for any stew, rice, even pasta. Another thing is that nothing ever gets burn, or you're not running the risk of forgetting the pan on the hob.
    Now there is only 2 of us, and part of the appeal is that, as a freelancer, I work at unholy hours, meaning that the convenience of a meal I can program is great. But I have seen my bills lower dramatically since I got this stuff.
    Coupled with a bread making machine, since I'm making my own bread, sinced the heat bread-making is requiring is quite astounding.

    Nancy OShea
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    February 2, 2023

    Well I take back everything I said about natural gas being cheap.  It's not cheap anymore!  😲

     

    My neighborhood message board is flaming with complaints about recent gas utility bills jumping from $147 to $700!!!   Ouch.   December-January were especially cold & wet months here but that's not the reason.  The radical price hikes are attributed to severe supply chain issues of unknown duration.  And once utility prices go up, they rarely come back down again.

     

    Replacing the aging furnace with an high efficiency heat pump may be of imminent necessity.  Nobody can afford $700 gas bills.

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Chuck Uebele
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    February 2, 2023

    That's not good. Yea prices rarely fall. My daughter's gas bill was much higher this past month: from around $60 to $240. But then we moved in with her, and it was 8 deg F here, the first week. More hot showers, and other things. We'll see what next month is like. Looking forward to the hot and humid summer.

    Abambo
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    January 28, 2023

    If you produce your own electricity (via solar panels …) it could be interesting to use more electrical appliances than gas appliances. If the electrical energy is produced by coal or gas, you did not do anything for saving CO2, by switching to electrical appliances.

     

    But in the long term, switching to electrical appliances will prove the better system.

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    Ricky336
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    January 19, 2023

    I've used both types - electric and gas and between the two prefer electric. Induction cooktops, however, seem to be more efficient in power usage.

    George_F
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    January 18, 2023

    I have electric and given the opportunity I would switch to gas.  I've worked in kitchens in the past, and there is just nothing close to a gas burner.

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    Abambo
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    January 28, 2023
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     there is just nothing close to a gas burner.


    By @George_F

    Induction is like gas. Switch on: heat, switch off: no heat. The trick with the induction is: the heat is “produced” in the bottom of the cook top. The efficiency is very high. The problem with induction is that you need special cooking pots. But these should be widely available now and are not much more expensive, if at all.

    ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
    jane-e
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    January 28, 2023

    @Abambo wrote:

    The problem with induction is that you need special cooking pots. But these should be widely available now and are not much more expensive, if at all.


     

    Some of my favorite cast iron skillets are older than I am. My son tried to use one on induction, but it did not work!

     

    Jane

     

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    January 15, 2023

    I discovered recently that induction conversion plates are a thing. Like a heat diffuser but for induction rather than gas.

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    January 15, 2023

    And I forgot to say that the point is to allow other types of pots to be used on induction cooktops (the plate heats up just like an electric plate)

    Peru Bob
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    January 15, 2023

    But you lose the high efficiency of the induction cooktop.

    jane-e
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    January 15, 2023

    Pros and cons to both, Nancy, but when I have lost electricity for five days on more than one occasion,  I have been grateful that I could light my gas stove with a match for coffee and bath water. 

     

    Jane

     

    Nancy OShea
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    January 15, 2023
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    when I have lost electricity for five days on more than one occasion,  I have been grateful that I could light my gas stove with a match for coffee and bath water. 

     

    Jane

     

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    In power outages, my gas stove, water heater & furnace auto lock for safety reasons.  I can't use them.  Plan B is the backyard barbecue / solar cooker or call for take out. 🙂

     

    Less than 38% of American households have natural gas stoves, most of whom reside in CA, IL, NY & NJ.  The rest of the country is twice as likely to be using electricity as their primary fuel with some backup alternative like wood or propane. 

     

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
    Chuck Uebele
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    January 14, 2023

    Personally, I love gas stoves and really dislike electric. My biases aside, if you switch to an electric stove, it may cost you a great deal in getting power to it. You would need a dedicated 30 amp breaker for it and have to run wire to your stove's location, which could be pricey. 

    Peru Bob
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    January 14, 2023
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     You would need a dedicated 30 amp breaker for it and have to run wire to your stove's location, 


    By @Chuck Uebele

     

    If a built-in oven or cooktop, 30 amp.

    If a freestanding electric range with an oven and cooktop, then you would need a 40 or 50 amp breaker and wiring.

    Chuck Uebele
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    January 14, 2023

    Yea, you're right. I just check my daughter's panel, and she has a 40 amp for her stove. I must have been thinking clothes dryer. That's 30 amp.