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Mass shooting in Las Vegas

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October 2, 2017
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Wife and I have friends/relatives in LV, so she was on the phone as soon as she woke up and turned the radio on... nobody we know was at the event, although one person had a flight delayed when the airport was shut down due to being in range of what was happening at the concert venue

Watching the news and listening to the discussion, we have to agree with what we're hearing... just how do you prevent this kind of thing with SO many places where people gather?

There are already people who complain that the US (the entire world) is becoming a police state with cameras everywhere and tracking of everything on the Internet... and then this happens and there are calls for even more surveillance

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John T Smith

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File this one in the "grasping at straws" folder (even says in the article that it won't prove anything)

Doctors prepare for microscopic study of Las Vegas shooter's brain - Chicago Tribune

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John T Smith

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Oh wow!!!

He tried to start a HUGE fire!

Las Vegas shooter fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank - CNN

John T Smith

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If this is true (always hard to tell in this day of fake or not well researched news) he tried to buy tracer rounds to improve his accuracy

Las Vegas shooter tried to buy tracer rounds, official says - CNN

John T Smith

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Before this week I had never heard of a bump stock, but now it looks like Congress, with NRA support, is on the way to banning them

Las Vegas Shooting: N.R.A. Supports New Rules on ‘Bump Stock’ Devices - The New York Times

Nancy OShea

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Am I dreaming? The NRA and right-wing conservatives want tougher gun legislation??? OMG.

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JR Boulay

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Everywhere else in the civilized world, selling war/automatic weapons to civilians is a crime in itself.

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Nancy OShea

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JR_Boulay wrote
Everywhere else in the civilized world, selling war/automatic weapons to civilians is a crime in itself.
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It is here, too, in California. Different States have different restrictions.

Assault weapon - Wikipedia

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JR Boulay

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Yes, I know that there are also American states that are part of the civilized world.

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Trevor.Dennis

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What worries me is what appears to be a sort of league table of highest scores when it comes to mass shootings. A person becomes full of hate, and blames everyone but themself for whatever state they find themself in, so they decide to commit suicide by cop, and take as many people with as they can manage. They'll be gone from this cruel world, but at least they'll have their moment of fame.

So what is the situation regards fully automatic rifles in North America? I have seen so many being fired on YouTube, I assumed that there were no restrictions.

John T Smith

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Sadly, that chart is out of date... the current Las Vegas number is 59 (at least one news article said several people still in critical condition, so not known right now if any more will die)

I don't know the rules about fully automatic weapons, so not sure if there is a global ban at the Federal level or if each State has their own rules... I do know that there are places in Las Vegas where you can rent one for ON SITE firing

But, depending on the design of the specific weapon, I have also read articles that it is fairly simple to convert from semi to full automatic

Even a semi-automatic can fire as quickly as you can squeeze the trigger, and he had several in his hotel room

Added due to later news report

58 people murdered, 1 shooter suicide

Cactus Cowboy

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I hate the media for browbeating us with innuendo and false speculation over and over again for days on end as if the world has stopped and nothing else matters. And here it goes again, gun this and gun that and let's blame that damn gun. No amount of gun laws would have prevented this from happening there's to DAMN many guns out there already. We are not the only country in the world that makes guns. It's not the gun that's to blame but the human mind that picks one up and use's it for whatever reason. We need more mental health clinics blame that.

Nancy OShea

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I find it ironic that OJ Simpson who was paroled from a NV State prison only yesterday, served 9 years for bringing a handgun into a Las Vegas hotel/casino. Were it not for the gun, his sentence would have been a slap on the wrist.

If you live in Nevada, chances are you're a gun owner because there's a very big gun mentality in that state. But the OJ Simpson case showed us that Nevada won't tolerate guns being brought onto resort properties because it's bad for business. So why didn't Mandalay Bay security detect ANY of the several guns brought through their hotel lobby since Thursday?

If Nevada wants to keep attracting millions of tourists each year, tighter gun security is essential.

The NRA maintains that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Well all I can say to that is automatic weapons are not guns. They are killing machines. That's their only purpose. And what the hell was this guy doing with one? How did he get it and where did he buy it? That's the $64,000 question that really needs to be answered.

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John T Smith

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As well as how/where did he get an automatic weapon, I'm hoping that he left something behind that will help explain the why of what he did... the only reports, so far, are a traffic ticket and a lawsuit (settled out of court) against a different hotel due to a slip & fall

I'm sure the Police and/or FBI are trying to find any scrap of information on his computer (if he had one) or social media (if he had an account) or even any "radical"books or magazines where he lived... anything at all to help understand

If nothing is found, it will remain a mystery

Oh... about OJ... my understanding is that HE did not have a weapon, one of the men with him had the weapon... OJ was just the famous one, and was the reason for breaking into the room, so he got the big sentence

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Security everywhere is a concern... any location where there is a gathering could be the target of someone who wants to hurt lots of people

Nancy OShea

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His reasons WHY are meaningless to me. I will never understand it and I doubt any of us will. This was a pre-meditated act. It took careful planning either solo or with help from other people. As I see it, understanding HOW he obtained the automatic weapon & rounds and how he got it passed security detection holds far greater promise for preventing this type of thing from happening again.

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This is insane. I live in Mesquite, NV. No one here seems to know the guy and we are a small town of roughly 20,000 people.

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