From Apple and Extensis: Font management under Mac OS X

One more thing..you know, for the most part, InDesign shows, or at least tries to show, fonts of different types. I can often choose between a Type 1 Times and a TrueType Times and a dFont Times, for instance. Doesn't Quark show mutiple font types of the same named fonts, too? If not, maybe that's a good suggestion for a Quark update.

So, does it seem that Quark 6.1 is not a native OS X app? A native OS X app will not look in the Classic System Font folder for fonts, I think...I don't use Quark anymore so I don't know...I thought the latest Quark ran only under OS X. Harumph!

Anyone else with thoughts?

> Fonts are just text...

That's not entirely accurate. As Adobe font guru Thomas Phinney has pointed out in the Typography forum, fonts are actually applications onto themselves.

Anyhow, I feel your frustration. Consider moving to InDesign. I left QuarkXPress behind and my life is much easier now.

Thanks for your replies Bob. I work for a non-profit that edits and republishes files created by government projects, so I get a lot of Helvetica used in the files. I use OS9 because the company uses GroupWise for email and I sometimes get PageMaker files, and even the latest version runs in Classic only. I wish I could get rid of it, it would simplify things.
I have removed my versions of these fonts from the OS9 fonts folder, figuring I would just depend on the dfont versions for Helv and Zapf dings. But when I did that I got no Helv and Zapf dings available to my Quark files or in my menus, so had to add mine back in.
I am so frustrated that developers can't, after years and years of font problems for graphic artists, fix/avoid these font issues. Fonts are just text, it should n't be this hard.

One more place to put fonts in OS X: user/Library/Fonts.

Doesn't Quark 6 run natively under OS X? Why are you runnning Classic, too? If Quark does run under OS X, then why don't you remove the offending fonts from the System Folder (OS 9)?

So, did you check, can you boot into OS 9 to change the dfonts?

Finally, you might wish to check with Qaurk about this. Adobe had similar issues...there being several types of fonts of the same name and the program not knowing which to use. Illustrator seems to have solved the problem...ID sloves it partially, I think...it has been awhile since I have complained...I try not to use Helvetica anymorew, though...

Quark goes to OSX Library/Fonts first to look for fonts, then to Classic. There are two font folders for OSX, the one named above, and the System/Library/Fonts folder which is where the system fonts are, the dfonts, which I cannot alter. so it should look there first and find the dfonts, then look in Classic and find my versions. But when I took my versions out of Classic, trying to avoid this conflict, the dfonts were not available for my files. Yet Zapfino is a dfont and it is always available in my menus.

Running Classic isnot the same as booting into OS9. I don't know if you can do this is you do not have admin privileges...I can open System Preferences and choose Start Up Disk. Then, I can select my OS 9 System. I heard rumors that this might not be possible with newer Macs...So, you have Quark 6.1...that program doesn't get it's fonts from OS X? Is the problem when the files fo to the printer and they are running OS 9 still?

Bob, I run OS9 and OSX together all the time. I'm afraid I don't understand your first sentence. I always have OS9 running, how would that effect whether I can alter that fonts folder in OSX? (I don't have administrative access) I already have Quark 6.1 for OSX. I'd like to try InDesign, but my employer is not going to buy it.

You can alter the fonts in System/Library/Fonts by booting into Mac OS 9 (System Preferences > Start up Disk). You could always update to an OS X version of Quark, I suppose. Or, switch to InDesign (no, I am not an Adobe employee).

Been away from this forum due to workload, but am back still trying to resolve a conflict with my Helvetica and Zapf Dings fonts. There is a dfont version of these in the OSX System/Library/Fonts folder, which I cannot alter. I removed my versions, which I have in the OS9 System/Fonts folder (that is what is recommended in Apple's Guide since I am running both OSs). But I guess dfonts are only for the use of the OS because they don't show up in my Quark menu. So I had to add mine back in. Can't seem to avoid this conflict, if that's what it is.