I´m using Indesign 13.0.1 x64
To recreate please use the following steps, but first, here are my colour settings:
- Create a new document
- Place the Image (Link: https://wetransfer.com/downloads/df9e8b15c38ecf6878dcbec1a347c1a220180122171701/08eca13d8a914af057e... )
- Look for the Profile in the links-panel
The image has sRGB but displays as Workspace RGB but my workspace is AdobeRGB and also the colors are incorrect.
Bridge and Photoshop both show the right profile.
When i open the image in Photoshop and save it as jpeg it works in InDesign.
I have this issue from time to time but now i´m sure it´s a bug.
I work for a publishing company and we make 50 magazines a year with an average of 100 pages and 3 pictures per page. So we cannot check if indesign assigned each icc correctly.
Although this does not always happen but at least 10 pictures per magazine.
Hope you can help me.
Thanks Steve
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Thanks for your suggestions,
i did a bit of research and testing because this really nags me.
You´re both right, an Image-ICC Profile can be embedded in
1. Metadata
2. Exif
3. the full icc-profile is embedded in the file
I found out the image i´ve attached has no embedded profile but metadata/exif.
I did a little script which gets the color space, color profile and how indesign will treat an image.
Note: You have to select an image before you start the script.
This script doesn´t parse the information from the file itself, it only shows information that indesign already has.
(In a few of my tested images it shows undefinded for the color profile, but this only happens if the full icc-profile is embedded in the file and no metadata is available. I only managed to read it from metadata and exif. Parsing the embedded profile exceeds my programming knowledge.)
var selected = app.selection[0].graphics[0];
//Try to get ICC Profile from Meta
try {
var profileName = selected.itemLink.linkXmp.getProperty(XMPConst.NS_PHOTOSHOP,"photoshop:ICCProfile");
} catch (error) {};
//If no success, try to get ICC Profile from EXIF
if (profileName == "") {
try {
profileName = selected.itemLink.linkXmp.getProperty(XMPConst.NS_EXIF,"exif:ColorSpace");
} catch (error){};
};
//There is a third method to get the embedded Profile
//If String is emtpy set to undefinded
if (profileName == "") {profileName = "undefined";};
//Get color space
var space = selected.space;
//Determine which Profile Indesign will use or is manually assigned
var usage = selected.profile;
//If usage is "None" Indesign will use Document Default
if (usage == "None") {usage = "Document-" + space;};
//Alert
alert("Color space: " + space + "\nColor profile: " + profileName + "\nIndesign use: " + usage);
Here is a screenshot of the script and my picture:
I have also tested 50 pictures from fotolia: The half had no embedded profile but metadata/exif and were treated the same as my picture (sRGB -> Document Workspace: AdobeRGB). Photoshop and Bridge show the right profile. That the image profiles has not been embedded maybe has someting to do with image-resizing on their servers ...
Conclusion:
I think it is now clear that Photoshop searches in the metadata/exif if there is no embedded profile. Indesign should do the same, use the metadata/exif as fallback if there is no embedded profile. Especially since the script proves that the metadata/exif is available to Indesign.
@rob day
Automatic saving is not really possible due to our workflow, I can give you further explanation if you want.
Hi Rob,
I copied some of the code from a script by Loic Aigon and missed a point, I think.
Here the revised one that should work:
main();
function main()
{
if(app.documents.length == 0){ return };
if(app.selection.length != 1){ return };
if(app.selection[0].hasOwnProperty("baselineShift")){ return };
if(app.selection[0].allGraphics.length == 0){ return };
var graphic = app.selection[0].allGraphics[0];
// Get the file that's behind the placed graphic:
var f = File(graphic.itemLink.filePath);
if ( !ExternalObject.AdobeXMPScript )
{
try
{
ExternalObject.AdobeXMPScript = new ExternalObject('lib:AdobeXMPScript');
}
catch (e)
{
alert('Unable to load the AdobeXMPScript library!');
return false;
}
};
// Open for read:
var xmpFile = new XMPFile(f.fsName, XMPConst.UNKNOWN, XMPConst.OPEN_FOR_READ);
// Read the file:
var xmp = xmpFile.getXMP();
// Close the file:
xmpFile.closeFile(XMPConst.CLOSE_UPDATE_SAFELY);
// Exploit the read results:
var profileName = xmp.getProperty ( XMPConst.NS_PHOTOSHOP , "photoshop:ICCProfile" );
if( profileName == "")
{
profileName = xmp.getProperty ( XMPConst.NS_EXIF , "exif:ColorSpace" );
};
if( profileName == ""){ profileName = "undefined" };
//Get color space
var space = graphic.space;
//Determine which Profile Indesign will use or is manually assigned
var usage = graphic.profile;
//If usage is "None" Indesign will use Document Default
if (usage == "None") {usage = "Document-" + space;};
//Alert the results:
alert( "Color space: " + space + "\nColor profile: " + profileName + "\nIndesign use: " + usage );
// $.writeln( "Color space: " + space + "\nColor profile: " + profileName + "\nIndesign use: " + usage );
};
Result is:
Regards,
Uwe
https://forums.adobe.com/people/rob+day wrote
… Another approach would be to get the embedded profile directly from Photoshop–Even though it's unlikely, I'm not convinced that the profile listed in metadata couldn't be wrong especially when the files are coming from an unknown or unreliable source?You could use BridgeTalk to get the actual embedded profile and apply it to the image or simply resave. I'll bet this is limited to jpegs?
Something like this for the selection, but you could loop thru the document and get jpegs…
Hi Rob,
good idea.
But I couldn't test your script, because instead of PhotoShop my Mac Preview App opened the image while running the script. Something's wrong with my system I think. Changed that in the file system and pointed to PhotoShop when opening JPEG files.
Now tried again with PhotoShop CS6 open together with InDesign CS6 before running your script.
But no joy also this time. Two error messages:
The error message from PhotoShop is an outright lie 😉
If I use the Document Open dialog with PhotoShop I can open the JPEG image.
Think, I will leave it at that for today. Need some sleep…
Regards,
Uwe
I'm really happy with the community and all your help with this problem!
@Laubender: I have tested both of your scripts and they work (windows).
But I also had some cases where the scripts (also mine) at fotolia-images, says „undefined“ although metadata were present - bridge and photoshop have shown it correctly. Unfortunately, I can not share the pictures with you because it violates the license terms. (Example: https://de.fotolia.com/id/1848649 S)
To be honest, I do not want to waste your time on the script. Because even if we do it, do we really need to start a script after every image we import to make sure that indesign uses the right profile?
I´ve also tried to use the preflight on that. There is an option for "profile deviations" but since indesign does not want to recognize the profile, no warning is shown.
I think Indesign should treat images the same as Photoshop. In Photoshop there is even an option for it, as Stephen_A_Marsh has shown. We pay money every month for this software so Adobe should fix that!
Best regards,
Steve
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