generating incorrect nationalities

[channonp4602134]

No matter how hard I try, I can't get Firefly to generate 'vikings' with the correct nationality. I get four variations and only one is a northern European. When I ask it to generate a northern European, it makes no difference: the originally generated versions stay the same - practically identical.

[Takaya24400383fgon]

when prompt is Japanese, generated images tends to be Japanese biassed, 

For instance, every human illustrations are in kimono.

[droopydog500]

Hello @Takaya24400383fgon,

Thank you for your message. I am sorry you are having this problem. 

The model does generate images based on the region where it believes you are located. You can override that by putting region specific information about the people or scenes into your prompts as is described elsewhere in this thread.

Thanks,
    droopy

[matt@wellspentads.com]

Where you live does not matter. I am in one of the whitest communities in the USA and all I can generate are people of color. I specifically told it not African American or Mexcan or any other ethnicity and that I wanted a white Caucasian girl. Nope, all black. Adobe is getting too woke I suppose. It may be time to explore other options. 

[Monika Gause]

Where you live does not matter. I am in one of the whitest communities in the USA and all I can generate are people of color. I specifically told it not African American or Mexcan or any other ethnicity and that I wanted a white Caucasian girl. Nope, all black. Adobe is getting too woke I suppose. It may be time to explore other options. 

By matt@wellspentads.com

Please tell us the exact prompt. Firefly does not understand negations.

[matt@wellspentads.com]

Hello. I started with " Teenage girl with long blond hair, front view, waist up". It generated 4 black girls with blond hair somehow. I have pics of it all and I used a reference photo of the girl I wanted to swap heads with. I don't see too many black girls with blond hair.

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I went on and on trying.. I have all the photos of my frustration.

It would be refreshing if you could include white people again. I have to jump through hoops for inclusion.

I'm not racist. I have 7 nationalities and any 2 of them in the same room would probably kill each other. The project was for an upscale white neighborhood High School Cheerleader Team is all.

I have all of the pics if you'd like to see. I typed in Caucasian first and got all African American kids. It wouldn't be a big deal except the photo I was morphing her onto was pale white.

This is not the first time, by any measure by, the way. You try to create a "non aggressive Caucasian military man" and see what I saw. I never did get that guy. We wound up using a picture of an employees father. So, total fail there.

I doubt there is any recourse and we will continue as is; but remember...

There are almost 220 million white people in the USA. You should think about including them. Finding them on Firefly takes time and effort.

Let me know if you can see the attached pics and I'd you'd like to see the others.

Sincerely,

Matt Tallon



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

[droopydog500]

matt@wellspentads.com,

Adobe has not explained how exactly it determines your region. I am sure IP address geolocation plays a role. Depending on your service provider that could be as good as locating you in your own neighbourhood or possibly hundreds of miles away.  It is not very exact.

In my case, I apparently got what you are seeking with the same prompt:

 

In any case, you can override with words in the prompt. Adding "caucasian" before "teenage girl" will likely result in something similar to my results.

    droopy

[nmycps]

I completely understand your frustration with the problem Firefly is having assuming it  knows what you want to create based on your location. Of course it doesn't. In the Firefly Ideas, I have proposed a Regional Bias toggle switch that let's YOU determine if you want auto-generated nationalities based on geolocation, or not.  I am surprised with the number of posts about this issue, and that my or other similar proposals have not received many upvotes. But if someone wants to write a new idea about this issue to get more attention on the issue so Adobe can see it's a feature worth seriously considering, I'll definitely upvote it.
If I take your prompt and generate it where I'm at (Osaka) I get images of semi-blond girls with Asian faces. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but choosing nationalities (if not specified at all in the prompt), should strictly be up to the user, who can choose whether to switch the geo-location on or off. Firefly still struggles with generating people that look distinctly different in the same image even if your prompt says, 'people of various ethnicities and nationalities....'

[matthewl10946539]

What a joke. I have the same experience. I typed in "medieval knight". I got 2 women of color, one Asian guy, and a knight with a helmet on. I then prompted "English knight from middle ages" and got 1 black woman and one white woman in full plate armor, one white guy with helmet off (which is what most people think of when they think of a medieval knight), and another helmeted knight. "American soldier from World War 2" yielded yet another two women of color, and a male soldier from India. "Germanic tribesman" yielded.. you guessed it, two women of color, one indigenous-in-appearance man, and finally one guy that looked germanic.

Can anyone defend this? Firefly's AI seems to be infected with the woke "representation virus" so that even when you ask for a type of person that should clearly be a white male, they obligatorily offer up at least two women of color that make zero sense for the time/place I'm specifying. This is no better than the Google Gemini fiasco.

[Monika Gause]

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@matthewl10946539  schrieb:

"representation virus"

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You do not seem to know how generative AI works or gets trained. It doesn't know the connection. And it doesn't know how the folks back then looked. And neither do you. 

There have been black people (and black soldiers) in Europe in the Middle Ages: https://www.thehumanityarchive.com/articles/black-people-medieval-europe

I happen to be German. And maybe you did not participate in German history classes, but I know that people from all directions of the world went through this place. Some of them might have had a darker skin. They happened to be in the outside all day anyway. You know what happens to the skin when it's exposed to sunlight, right?

There have also been women fighting at all times. Some of them disguised as men. https://blogs.loc.gov/headlinesandheroes/2021/03/women-who-dressed-as-men-and-made-history/ 

And for sure there have been regiments of women (also black women) in the US during WW2. There have also been English women doing this and they have been pilots.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/african-american-womens-service-and-experience

https://www.kenleyrevival.org/content/history/women-at-war/air-transport-auxiliary#:~:text=They%20we.... 

Anyway: when you want people with light skin, then just tell Firefly that you want "Caucasian" people. If you only want white males, then just tell it you want "White male". Which then may not be historically correct regarding the thing you want to picture, but anyway ...

[Divyam_Garg8792]

I think firefly is racist and is using geo political data for image generation, I wanted a soul leaving human body, and many othe prompts but it just forces indian elements liuke gods, sarees, colors, patterns etc, its actually very frustating, I literally have to type white caucasian male or other super specific things to get out of that indian hidden prompts that firefly pushes automatically.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Divyam_Garg8792 First, this is not racist. Second Firefly does use the users geolocation to localize results.

[Monika Gause]

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@Giant Grafico  schrieb:

Thanks to the dev who are infected by the woke mind virus

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Just specify what kind of people you want to generate. Can't be that hard.

[cute_dolphin0912]

한국 여성의 사진을 만들어달라고 했을 때,

한국 여성이 아닌 애매한 아시안계 여성의 얼굴이 나옵니다.

아주 티피컬한 "동양계" 의 모습이 불쾌하며, 인종차별적이라는 생각이 듭니다.

타 ai 생성 플랫폼에서는 한국 여성의 모습으로 제대로 만들어주는 프롬프트를 사용했는데도 말이지요. 

이 부분을 좀더 구체적으로 개선할 필요가 있습니다.

같은 아시안계라도 아시아가 얼마나 넓은데

국가를 지정했음에도 불구하고

대충 생성되어 나오는 생성형  ai는 너무 멍청하고 쓸모없습니다.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@cute_dolphin0912 what was your specific prompt used?