Can't find helvetica neue font in typekit

[poeticArt]

I have a PSD that uses helvetica neue heavy and helvetica neue light.  However, these exact fonts are not listed in Typekit but it's an Adobe font.  Is anyone able to get these fonts with the "portfolio and or performance" plan?  If not would you recommend that I buy the fonts from fonts.com or a similar seller?

Thanks,

Steve

[A.J.BrookerFA]

Thank you for this. For the benefit of others, of this list the first one I had that looked like a match in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC (64-bit) for HelveticaNeueLT W1G 55 Roman was Myriad Pro.

[peters17473900]

Not having Helvetica continues to be a HUGE issue. Helvetica has been the default font used on so much creative over the years, there's tons of artwork that was set in Helvetica and Helvetica Neue. Not having Helvetica Neue on Typekit is a HUGE disconnect and something Adobe needs to correct. They sold everyone their font CDs years ago, and not to have those same fonts available on Typekit has been and will continue to be a HUGE problem. I'm sure it has something to do with paying the type foundries royalties or some other sort of financial decision. The bottom line is, I have YEARS worth of creative with tons of Helvetica and Helvectica Neue typesetting. Helvetica was and still is a terrific font for blocks of dense text and legal copy in documents. The Helvetica Neue kerning pairs were also much better than the base Helvetica, so tons of people migrated to Helvetica Neue when it was introcduced. Adobe needs to add all the fonts that they origanlly sold on their CDs onto Typekit. Not doing that is a HUGE disconnect to their business and supporting their long standing and LOYAL customers... It shouldn't matter if they make a couple nickels less on some of the fonts, do the right thing and add all the fonts. Why should we have to settle for "alternatives"? Stop messing around, add the Helveticas to Typekit, and in fact, add all the CD fonts to Typekit! They're "oldies but goodies," and a vast majority of the Adobe Community needs those fonts to get our work done!

[rhonaj70604138]

Previous message said it perfectly. Helvetica is a classic typeface and is a huge problem if it's not provided by Adobe. I have a client who uses it for everything and doesn't want to change. Come on Adobe, sort this one out and provide designers with such a staple as Helvetica.

[Steve@JTPress]

As a pre press operator I could not have said it better, we have years and years of work that always get edited when we reprint something, now what do we do?!!! this is diabolical! especially when we pay through the teeth for the subscriptions! Greed I suspect?

[Lumigraphics]

Apple includes Helvetica and Helvetica Neue with macOS. You can always just use a Mac if you need those typefaces.

Adobe can't sell what the foundries won't license. If you MUST use Windows and MUST use those faces, you can buy a license from the foundry.

[Steve@JTPress]

No, Apple does not include helvetica for use with Adobe.

[Lumigraphics]

This is incorrect, Helvetica and Helvetica Neue are Apple system fonts.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212587

• Helvetica 17.0d1e1
• Helvetica Bold 17.0d1e1
• Helvetica Bold Oblique 17.0d1e1
• Helvetica Light 17.0d1e1
• Helvetica Light Oblique 17.0d1e1
• Helvetica Neue 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Bold 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Bold Italic 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Condensed Black 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Italic 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Light 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Light Italic 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Medium 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Medium Italic 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Thin 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue Thin Italic 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue UltraLight 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Neue UltraLight Italic 17.0d2e1
• Helvetica Oblique 17.0d1e1

[Bobby Henderson]

An Adobe CC subscription does not give any customers a limitless supply of commercial fonts. I'm thankful for what we get with the Adobe Fonts service, which is quite a lot. It sure beats the small amount of fonts that were included in past perpetual license Creative Suite products. I have a Master Collection CS5.5 box and IIRC it had hardly any bundled fonts at all.

Any businesses that need to use a certain commercial type family frequently should buy a license of it, even if those fonts are available to sync via Adobe Fonts. From time to time participating type foundries will remove their fonts from the service.

Fonts costing money is a fact of life. It takes a great deal of work to create a typeface that lives up to modern standards. Type designers can't be expected to do all that work for nothing. I'll try to jump on introductory pricing specials when certain high profile type families are first released. Monotype's "static" version of Helvetica Now cost $99 initially. The variable version was $199 initially. Both packages cost a lot more now.

[futoro]

#947 on the list of things.

Adobe has been focused less on providing, and more on squeezing every last cent out of everyone, for a long time.

The products reflect that.

If people have a viable choice, we see what happens; Hello DaVinci Resolve! Etc.

[AdamB27]

Hey Adobe, any updates on this? 

[peters17473900]

The truth of it, the bottom line of it all, is that Adobe can cut any deal they want with any type foundry they want. They're Adobe for God sakes, they're HUGE. It shouldn't matter what the deal would cost, it's about supporting their customer' needs. They had Helvetica Nueue as part of the fonts they sold, and then, it became "cost prohibitive" for them to continue to include it in their font collection. Adobe should do what it takes to support it's users on the classic fonts and stop advocting a solution that involves "substitite or adjacent" fonts. There is no substitute to the classics, that's why they're classices! Helvetica is a classic!

[Bobby Henderson]

Adobe is a big company. Despite that they have no power to force type foundries, such as Monotype, to include their best selling fonts on the Adobe Fonts service for whatever terms Adobe offers.

If anything, Adobe's large size makes them more of a target.

Look what happened with the Pantone mess. Pantone decided they wanted to force Adobe customers to use their "Connect" plugin, which costs something like $180 per year. That's a lot of money just to essentially have up to date Pantone digital swatch book ACB files. That price does not include the physical swatch books. A Pantone+ Color Formula Guide of coated and uncoated swatches costs around $200. Those printed swatch books are supposed to be replaced on an annual basis. Pantone wants you to buy those physical swatches and then pay another almost couple hundred for some ACB files to go with the swatch books. Meanwhile, competing applications such as CorelDRAW and Affinity Designer have the "V5" Pantone swatch books still included in their applications for no extra charge. I think Pantone singled out Adobe due to its large size. It doesn't look like Pantone is making versions of its Connect plugin to work with CorelDRAW, Affinity Designer or any other rival graphics applications.

If anything, Adobe should have been charging Pantone a fee to include its swatch books in Adobe's applications. Those swatch books are, in a way, a form of advertising. There are other swatch book companies such as Toyo and Trumatch. And swatch books from those companies are still included in Adobe software.

Dolby is another example. They wanted a certain amount of money per subscriber for Adobe to continue including Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus encoding within Premiere Pro and Audition. Adobe removed the Dolby encoding capabilities in response. Maybe that was Dolby's idea all along. The encoding software Dolby sells is not cheap.

Back to Monotype and Helvetica, there is another factor likely preventing Helvetica from showing up in the Adobe Fonts service: Monotype has its own font subscription service. They've really been pushing it hard lately. I've received lots of email from the MyFonts website about a $5000 sweepstakes; to enter you have to sign up for a Monotype fonts subscription. It's $199 per year for access to around 40,000 fonts (including Helvetica). Currently Monotype has 41 type families hosted on Adobe Fonts. It would not surprise me if Monotype decided to remove all of them in order to get more people to subscribe to their fonts service. Other companies have removed their fonts from Adobe Fonts. Font Bureau is the biggest example. Foundries like Font Bureau have to work with individual type designers. Some of those type designers restored typefaces they designed back on Adobe Fonts after Font Bureau had them removed.

I agree Helvetica is a classic. If a certain typeface is important enough to someone's work flow they often just have to "pony up" and buy a copy. I did that with the two Helvetica Now releases in 2019 and 2021. I'm expecting a second Helvetica Now Variable release sometime in the future since the 2021 variable release has a width axis that only goes from normal to compressed. Monotype will probably ding Helvetica fans again with a "Helvetica Now 2" that has a variable axis going from normal to wide.