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garyr93739538
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Missing fonts

  • August 20, 2023
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This ridiculous system has lost my most-used font Berthold Akzidenz Grotesk. I cannot find it in the font library. Anyone know how to find it? Is this designed to make creativity more difficult????

 

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    Correct answer Bobby Henderson

    Adobe distributes font from from foundries. If a foundry decides to stop having their fonts distributed by Adobe, they can take them out any time they want. The same way a product can stop being sold at a specific supermarket. I don't think Akzidenz Grotesk have ever been part of either typekit or Adobe font though. You need to buy it separately at fonts.com or use Monotype's own subscription service.
    Adobe has nothing to do with it, and likely will not address your query
    https://www.bertholdtypes.com/
    and
    https://www.myfonts.com/collections/akzidenz-grotesk-font-berthold?tab=familyPackages&queryId=07b560b9e1435fb22039766d4b9780e4&eventName=Product%20Clicked&index=universal_search_data&objectIDs=6167953000&positions=1

    I had to buy Akzidenz Grotesk, and like you, I wish it was included in my CC subscription. But I'm not in the board of directors at Belthold (Do they get bonuses? 🙂 ) so that's what it is...


    I've never seen any Berthold fonts included in Typekit/Adobe Fonts in the entire time Adobe has been offering the service to CC customers. Adobe hasn't had a deal with Berthold since the mid 1990's. To complicate matters, the Berthold fonts that were bundled with Adobe applications a long time a ago had the "BE" suffix applied to their names. The ones Berthold would sell direct to the public often had the "BQ" suffix applied to their names.

     

    Other type foundries have participated in the Adobe Fonts service only temporarily. Font Bureau is a good example. Font Bureau decided to remove the fonts they distribute from Adobe Fonts. The funny thing is Font Bureau itself has to make deals with individual type designers to distribute fonts they create. So while Font Bureau removed the catalog of fonts it was offering to Adobe Fonts, some of the individual designers whose fonts were affected made deals direct with Adobe. The Interstate type family by Tobias Frere-Jones is one example of a type family that got pulled from Adobe Fonts only to return under a different foundry banner.

     

    Anyway, the point is Adobe doesn't have dominion over the commercial fonts industry. They can't arbitrarily include just any of the countless thousands of commercial type families that exist. In the past, if they did include certain fonts in a retail software box those fonts would only be around for maybe a couple version cycles. When Berthold's fonts were no longer included in newer versions of Adobe Illustrator we got a different fonts bundle package with faces from outfits like the Image Club (some of the ICG fonts were knock-off clones of other typefaces). Most versions of Creative Suite software boxes included hardly any fonts. I don't remember getting any fonts in the Master Collection 5.5 box. When Typekit, aka Adobe Fonts, came along I was pretty amazed, even though the limits to the service were pretty obvious from the outset.  

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    Bobby HendersonCommunity Expert
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    August 26, 2023

    Berthold "BE" fonts have not been bundled into Adobe's applications in a really long time (I got a copy of the AG "BE" family with Illustrator 4.0 and Photoshop 2.5 for Windows; the installers and fonts came on some 1.44MB floppy discs). Those were Postscript Type 1 fonts. Adobe recently ended support for Postscript fonts across all applications.

     

    There are font conversion applications that can turn old T1 fonts into OTFs, but there may be licensing issues with taking such steps. The other alternative is buying a new, updated copy of Akzidenz-Grotesk, which is pretty expensive if one buys an entire family (the 42 font Akzidenz Grotesk Next family runs $1100). 

    garyr93739538
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    August 26, 2023

    Thanks Bobby. I have the fonts and can use them in InDesign 2022 - but not going forward. It is really pathetic that Adobe have caused this problem for designers who rely on Adobe software to provide our creative services! I have found the missing fonts online, but not sure this will satisfy the greedy accountants at Adobe!

    Abambo
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    AbamboCommunity Expert
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    January 3, 2024

    exactly.  adobe design software has changed the way they handle fonts we purchased way back, even their own font bundles. I have logo files going back 20 years that are no longer editable. it's bull. they took the easy way out with CC, instead of a customer centric approach. If they have nothing to do with fonts from other foundries, as these posters are saying, then why don't they stay out of it and allow us to choose fonts we've already installed on our system, and which have worked this way all these years? When I purchased my licenses, I was purchasing the use of those fonts forever. 


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    exactly.  adobe design software has changed the way they handle fonts we purchased way back, even their own font bundles. I have logo files going back 20 years that are no longer editable. it's bull. they took the easy way out with CC, instead of a customer centric approach. If they have nothing to do with fonts from other foundries, as these posters are saying, then why don't they stay out of it and allow us to choose fonts we've already installed on our system, and which have worked this way all these years? When I purchased my licenses, I was purchasing the use of those fonts forever. 


    By @malagasmith


    You still can use all of your fonts. The only "issue" is that Adobe stopped support of Type1 fonts in their latest versions of the software. If you still have older versions installed, theuy are still able to work with Type1 fonts. 

     

    Even if the license is perpetual, the support in the latest applications isn't. Alone the testing of the font support for each new version was eating up resources, and it may well be, that some OS releated support to Type1 was fading, and that Adobe needed to emulate those functionality. 

     

    The conclusion is: if you use newer software, your old fonts may not be supported anymore, but that does not necessarily mean that you are not allowed to use those files anymore. 

     

    I have exchanged all my old fonts with new ones, because of the fading support. 

     

    (BTW: I still have a CP/M operating system, with Wordstar and dBase and other nice programs, on a perpetual licence. And I have a CC+ development system from Borland for Windows 3.1 that I still could use on 3.1, if I could read the 3.5" disks. We all have perpetual licences and at sone point, technology changes, and you need to take decisions.)

    ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
    Abambo
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    AbamboCommunity Expert
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    August 21, 2023

    The font is not part of the subscription. See here for more information: https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-fonts-discussions/berthold-fonts-unavailable/td-p/10182409

    (the links are broken, however, because they are still from the old forum, and did not transfer gracefully to this forum)

    ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
    garyr93739538
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    August 21, 2023
    Sorry but this is appalling service from Adobe. Please direct me to a place I can get Berthold AG so I can continue design projects created in Indesign 22. Ridiculous creative conundrum.
    Gary Rowland MARCA

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      Abambo
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      AbamboCommunity Expert
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      August 26, 2023

      If they were never part of the https://fonts.adobe.com offering, you can barely complain here. Whatever you did to lose the font is not in relation to Adobe.

      ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
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