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I have Adobe Audition CS6. I use Effects >Generate Tones to create tones that I use for audio bench testing. I discovered that Audition automatically dithers all 16 bit generated tones rather than generating them as non-dithered tones. I had to use another DAW software program to generate non-dithered 16 bit test tones. I could not find any menu in Audition to generate 16 bit non-dithered tones. I assume that is because no one recording or mastering music tracks in 16 bits would do that in an un-dithered format. My question is, does Audition also automatically dither 24 bit music tracks that are recorded and tones that are generated, or does Audition only dither 16 bit music tracks that are recorded and tones that are generated?
Thanks,
John Johnson
Hi John,
Nothing _should_ have changed (that I recall) around this area between CS6 and current CC versions. I did a quick test on both CS6 (Mac) and CC 2017.1.0 (also Mac).
For the purposes of analysis, I think it is helpful to view the vertical (amplitude) ruler in Sample Values as opposed to dB.
Also, the Amplitude Statistics Panel can give an accurate measurement of the number of PCM bits used, even when opening a file that is in a 32-bit float container (see "Measured Bit Depth").
I think what
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"And neither are any of us wrong.",
I was right and you were wrong. Adobe Audition is defective.
"Actually it was you that did the bad-mouthing"
Well, what about this that you said, "That really is the end of the discussion - you're plain wrong."
I was right and you were wrong. Adobe Audition is defective.
End of discussion.
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Audition CS6 works as intended. It is in no way defective. It may not work the way you would like but, as you have already said, you are going to use another audio editor instead so it won't affect you any more.
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ryclark says, "Audtion CS6 . . is in no way defective". In messages above, CharlesVW said, "I think what you're looking for is to get a signal that is quantized to 16-bit or 24-bit PCM without dither. I tried this out a few ways, and I think I came across what I would agree with is a bug." . . . "Upon saving, or even File > Save As... and checking that dither was disabled, I noticed that the resulting file still seemed to be dithered. I would consider this a bug when doing File > Save As... and explicitly checking that dither was disabled." . . ."When you submit the bug report to the programmers . . That's me." . . . " "Thanks for reporting the issue John."
I tried the 32 bit suggestion, and it still did not work properly, as I showed spectra in one of my messages above.
So, Audition CS6 is defective. What the hell is going on with you guys? Do you all work on the same planet?
Massive incompetence.
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Could I get a courtesy copy of Adobe Audition CC 2017 when the bug is fixed? I will check it out to make sure everything is working, and post a message about it here.
Thanks,
John Johnson
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https://forums.adobe.com/people/No+Friggin+Screen+Name wrote
Could I get a courtesy copy of Adobe Audition CC 2017 when the bug is fixed? I will check it out to make sure everything is working, and post a message about it here.
Thanks,
John Johnson
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Not as funny as what I am going to have to say about Adobe Audition in my article. Defective, defective, defective.
Now, that IS funny.
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Yes, your 'defective' article will undoubtedly be funny. Problem is, I've tried looking you up by your given name, and I can find no reference to anything even vaguely relating anybody with your name and audio. Are you publishing under a pseudonym? May we know what it is?
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The only people who won't be laughing are Adobe forum moderators (and of course, their bosses).
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Will I be able to do a one time purchase of Adobe Audition once the program defects have been corrected? I don't want to subscribe to the CC.
John Johnson
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CS6, which is extremely unlikely to ever receive any further updates/patches, is the last version that was and is ever likely to be available to purchase.
I see you have marked your own, somewhat trolling reply, as the best answer. There is a certain irony in the fact that you choose to wholly disregard the completely accurate advice you were offered, claiming that "Audition is defective", then claim the factual treatment you received was "reprehensible", and then say your answer is the "best".
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The advice you offered did not work, so it was not completely accurate in any sense of the word. It produced errors in the spectra. You went from telling me that you didn't believe me to saying that I was wrong and that it was end of discussion, and then admitted that there is a bug in the dithering process, which is what I was claiming in the first place. It is shameful for the Audition forum monitors to treat an Adobe customer this way.
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I have decided that we should just put the previous discussion in the past and move forward. I tried other software and it does not do what I need. Audition has the best dithering that I have encountered. So, what I propose is that I will just post spectra that I think are incorrect, and you can decide if Audition is indeed creating incorrect spectra and put them into a bug report. All I ask is that you let me know when they have been corrected. I will then download Audition in a trial form, and if everything is working correctly, I will resubscribe to 2017 CC, hopefully with the problems in the other programs having been corrected.