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April 14, 2011
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Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition

  • April 14, 2011
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Good morning Audition fans.

As promised, I wanted to share the news and state of Adobe Audition as well as answer your questions about the new release and what the future holds. 

First, Adobe announced the release of CS 5.5 Monday morning to coincide with our presence at the NAB convention in Las Vegas, NV.  Among the updates to the other applications in the Production Premium suite, the big news from my perspective was the inclusion of Audition into the Production Premium and Master Collection suites.  Soundbooth, the previous audio tool offered in the Suite, has been discontinued.

Next, a little bit of history:  Adobe purchased Syntrillium 8 years ago in order to provide an audio solution to their video and broadcast production users.  At the time, Premiere Pro was a Windows-only NLE and Cool Edit, now Audition, was a great fit in the original Video Suite.  However, as Adobe recognized the value in the Suite model for users and the bottom-line, the other applications were updated to support Apple and Windows users.  The Audition team looked at the 15 years of legacy Windows code and were not confident the application could be ported quickly enough to satisfy the CS release schedule.  As an audio editor was necessary in the suite package, we created Soundbooth which was a simple audio editor built on top of Premiere Pro's media playback engine.  This enabled the team to provide value to the Suite, but the limitations of a playback engine crafted to handle large video files was not ideal for detailed audio production.  As a tool to assist with basic audio editing and restoration needs for a primarily video and motion graphics audience, it did find a userbase who appreciated the simplicity and ease of use, although leaving audio professionals and more savvy users wanting more.

Immediately after each release of Soundbooth, the team continued working on Audition but it was apparent that Adobe did not need two audio tools in production and the more popular application was absolutely Audition.  We made the commitment to build Audition as a fully cross-platform solution and replace Soundbooth in the line-up, offering the power and fidelity of Audition without making the transition for Soundbooth fans too jarring.  For at least the past 7 years that I've been with the team, the most-requested feature has unequivocably been "Bring Audition to the Mac!"  There are numerous on-line petitions and forum threads demanding this happen.

So we've spent the past two years re-writing Audition from the ground-up, preserving or updating our core DSP, modernizing the code to take advantage of current hardware and operating system technology, and emphasizing increased productivity and speed with every feature.  Updating or completely rewriting 15 years of C++ code takes time, and we recognized rather quickly that we were not going to reach feature parity with Audition 3.01 with this release.  We continuously prioritized our feature database based on our visits with customers big and small, and our awesome, secret, pre-release team.  Our core userbase has always been broadcast - radio, podcast, and video - and our focus for the CS 5.5 release was to build a platform that supported those workflows but remained open and flexible enough that expanding the application to support other audio users would be simple and straightforward.  As we approached the end of our development cycle, I think everyone on the team and in our pre-release program recognized how strong this application is and will be moving forward, even if some of our pet features did not make it into this release yet.

In the next post, I'll describe what's new in Audition CS 5.5, what didn't make it into the application yet, and what we hope to accomplish in the next release.  As I mentioned before, Adobe has publicly committed to a more open release schedule with a major release approximately every 24 months with an additional mid-cycle release.  Not only will this allow us to bring more features to you more quickly, but will help with any hardware updates and purchasing decisions our users may encounter.  Additionally, and currently Audition is not part of this program yet, Adobe is offering installations on a subscription model with all upgrades rolled into the cost.  It will be interesting to hear feedback from our users how this solution works for their needs.

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    33 replies

    Inspiring
    May 29, 2011

    Hi, I'm delighted that Audition has finally got an overhaul at last, and I agree that it starts super-fast which is nice. I also love the fact that fx are applied in a dynamic rack like Soundbooth which is so much more sensible! However, can I ask about a couple of features that I liked in Soundbooth that aren't in 5.5?


    Firstly, creating mp3s from wav files, in Soundbooth there were 2 features I really liked. One was that I could play a preview from the save setting dialogue box which was great to judge quality verses size. The second was an estimate of the actual file size which again is quite important for some applications. Could they come back in for CS6?

    Secondly, I really liked the snap-shot feature in Soundbooth and the asnd file type. I know it was large and heavy, but it was a great way of getting back to things and very helpful if for some reason or other you cleared out your history! Any chance we can have that back or do too many people hate it?


    Thanks

    Andrew

    Participant
    May 23, 2011

    Thanks for the continuous feedbacks from me too, Durin. It really means much to see that Adobe actually listen to their customer base.

    I am in the radio production business and AA is number one "weapon of choice" for me and so many people from the same branch. All those things members mentioned as a wish list in this thread will hopefully implemented in next release.

    Cheers!

    Peter

    Participant
    May 2, 2011

    Hello Durin,

    Thank you for your involvement with the forum.

    I have been using Audition since CE2K.

    I can see from the various comments that the move to CS5.5 fits people less or more according to their perspective.

    I pre-ordered the new version immediately, but as yet haven't actually received it, so my comments are based on what has been presented here.

    I use 2X other software editors, Pyramix, and Protools.

    Primarily for music production.

    So, in spite of the inconvenience, it is possible for me to shift between these and Audition 3, if there any required missing features in CS5.5.

    Like some of the others here, I am slowly moving towards incorporating Video editing and production into my studio.

    So for me, the positive aspects of this change are ....

    OMF Import and Export.

    Integration with Premiere.

    Overall RMS level average per track.

    What I miss ,..

    Generate Silence.

    I use this as a quick and simple method to clean and create correct spacing between CD Tracks.

    Also, if Premiere Elements integrated with Audition, it would be a good way to test the waters before extending to the cost of Premiere Pro.

    Although I don't use midi a lot, I enjoyed the implementation of it in Audition, and was looking forward to the development of any deficiencies.

    All the best,

    Onward and upwards.

    Bye for now,

    aomahana.

    Charles VW
    Inspiring
    May 3, 2011

    aomahana wrote:


    What I miss ,..

    Generate Silence.

    Edit > Insert Silence... will achieve you the same results.   Please check it out when you get your hands on the release.

    aomahana wrote:

    ...

    I use 2X other software editors, Pyramix, and Protools.


    ...

    So for me, the positive aspects of this change are ....

    OMF Import and Export.


    ...

    Please let us know how the OMF exchange works with Pyramix.   We've done intensive in-house testing on sending OMFs to/from Pro Tools, but not as much with Pyramix.  I spoke to one of the engineers at Merging while at AES this past fall about OMF interchange with Pyramix, so feel free to ask your support representative at Merging to also do some in-house testing with interchange with Audition.

    May 1, 2011

    Without midi and rewire, Audition loses much of its appeal. I don't understand what problems you had with it in 3 because I use 3 all the time with Reason rewired in to the multitracker and midi VSTis sequenced into the mix. Sometimes it was a little buggy and would crash and lose all its VSTs but they came back after a reboot. I was really looking forward to the new Audition and now the 30 day trial won't even be on my machine 24 hours because I can't use it without midi or rewire.Having help and the manual only available online is useless, too. My production machine isn't networked and is a pure music composition DAW.

    Very disappointing. Audition 3 was a very serviceable, easy to use multitasking software that I did my recording, mixing and mastering in. I'll keep using 3 until something better comes along.

    Inspiring
    May 1, 2011

    Complaining about the same thing in 5 threads does make it clear that you're not satisfied, wavecapsule.  And Durin has already made it clear that staying with AA3 will be what some are going to prefer, but they're all ears to hear your reasons why.

    _durin_
    Community Manager
    _durin_Community ManagerAuthor
    Community Manager
    April 27, 2011

    Effects shipped with Audition CS 5.5

    Amplitude and Compression >

         Amplify

         Channel Mixer

         De-Esser

         Dynamics Processing

         Hard Limiter

         Normalize (process)

         Multiband Compressor

         Single-Band Compressor

         Tube-Modeled Compressor

         Speech Volume Leveler

         Volume Envelope (process)

    Delay and Echo >

         Analog Delay

         Delay

         Echo

    Diagonistics >

         DeClicker (process)

         DeClipper (process)

         Delete Silence (process)

         Mark Audio (process)

    Filter and EQ >

         Parametric Equalizer

         Graphic Equalizer (10 Band)

         Graphic Equalizer (20 Band)

         Graphic Equalizer (30 Band)

         FFT Filter

    Modulation >

         Chorus

         Flanger

         Chorus/Flanger

         Phaser

    Noise Reduction / Restoration >

         Capture Noise Print

         Noise Reduction (process)

         Adaptive Noise Reduction

         Automatic Click Remover

         Automatic Phase Correction (process)

         DeHummer

         Hiss Reduction (process)

    Reverb >

         Convolution Reverb

         Full Reverb

         Reverb

         Studio Reverb

         Surround Reverb

    Special >

         Distortion

         Guitar Suite

         Mastering

         Vocal Enhancer

    Stereo Imagery >

         Center Channel Extractor

    Time and Pitch >

         Stretch and Pitch (process)

    Any effect not indicated as a (process) effect can be used in real-time, though for high-CPU effects you may wish to enable Track Pre-render (I'll mention this later, but it's more or less a dynamic, track-specific return to Background Mix.)  Real-time effects can also be applied to entire tracks, or to specific clips, or a combination of both.

    _durin_
    Community Manager
    _durin_Community ManagerAuthor
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    April 27, 2011

    Track Panel View and Controls

    Input / Output View:  Adjust input and output assignments, add buses or access Audio Hardware settings.

    Track Effects Rack View:  Mini, in-track effects rack.  Note the lightning bolt button which allows you to enable "Track Pre-Render" mode on a per-track basis.  This toggle silently prepares a background mix of each enabled track to accomodate resource-intensive effects and minimize performance or playback issues.

    Sends View:  Each track may be assigned to up to 16 separate Send outputs

    Track EQ View:  Each track has the full 5-band Parametric EQ at its disposal.  A thumbnail representation of the EQ curve is displayed in this panel providing quick, visual feedback.

    Known Participant
    April 30, 2011

    This was not a previous feature, but I would love to see a way to use one track as the source for the launching of effects on another track. More to the point, being able to do things like gated reverbs (for killer drums), or distortion effects on a guitar triggered by a snare... Just a thought.

    Similar (but entirely different ) I would like to see the ability to add expressions like in Aftere Effects. This way, if the above feature was not made available I could write an expression to do it... If amplitude == such and such level raise input level to such and such for such and such amount of time.

    _durin_
    Community Manager
    _durin_Community ManagerAuthor
    Community Manager
    April 27, 2011

    Properties Panel

    The new properties panel displays detailed information about the currently selected clip or active session, as well as asset-specific parameters.  The "Time Display" options allow you to customize the ruler display per file or use the global defaults.

    Surround Track Panner

    Dockable 5.1 Surround track panner for use in multitrack session mixing.

    Participant
    April 26, 2011

    Dear Durin,

    though you didn't comment on this my reply, I still keep hoping that it will be taken into account. I think the number of Audition users that I'm talking about in my message cannot be ignored by Adobe.

    Thank you,

    Alex.

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 26, 2011

    Alex Radzishevsky wrote:

    I think the number of Audition users that I'm talking about in my message cannot be ignored by Adobe.

    How many is that?

    Participant
    April 26, 2011

    I didn't count everyone of them personally yet, but according to my experience (working as audio engineer and developer in voice communication industry) - they are thousands. You can visit any company that deal with voice communication, audio sw/hw validation, etc. and you can see most of the engineers using Audition or its predecessors.

    Known Participant
    April 20, 2011

    Hello,

    Will the new Audition 5.5 be able to take advantage of any I/O card installed on the system (Blackmagic, AJA, Matrox, etc) that will allow the video to playout to a client monitor?

    Thanks

    Ray

    ryclark
    Participating Frequently
    April 21, 2011

    Unfortunately no it won't. This has been on the requested feature list for some time as many of us working in sound post need external video playback.

    Known Participant
    April 21, 2011

    Thats a real shame that Audition will not be able to playout video through a dedicated I/O card. That effectively eliminates it for any serious client session work relating to video post-production. Unless you like them looking over your shoulder at a small video clip on the screen. This is one of the main reasons why I never used Audition for much more than a Swiss army knife for file processing. The program is very nice and offers a tremendous bang for th buck. Not sure why Adobe is really advertising round tripping to Premiere Pro if there is no support for the same I/O hardware that is likely to be already installed on the system and being used with Premiere Pro. Hence the "Pro"

    Hopefully this is a high priority for version 6. If it is please contact to beta test that functionality.

    Ray

    Participant
    April 19, 2011

    I generally do not comment on big corporate forums, but this time I decided to participate. I hope my opinion will be taken into account.

    The matter is that Audition is often used by DSP engineers who do not deal with music/radio/broadcasting/etc, but work with sound and audio analysis in scientific purposes in process of DSP algorithms development, and in audio quality validation for different industries (voice communication, speech codecs, automotive, pro-/consumer, etc).

    These people silently use this tool and never appear at music communities/forums/etc., so Adobe team may not know about them. But you can see these people in every audio department of every company somehow involved in audio.

    Adobe Audition (and previously Cool Edit) is the only and the ultimate tool for these professionals. Such scientific features of Audition as filtering, signal/noise generation, extended spectral analysis, sample-precise editing, etc . are not replaceable by any other software. Other software editors are not suitable for these operations since they are designed mostly for music and simply do not have such extended tools that are absolutely necessary for the purposes described above.

    Lack of such tools as tone generation, noise generation, scientific filtering and others will not allow these engineers to upgrade. By the way, many of them are still using Cool Edit Pro because it is faster than Audition.

    I hope Adobe team cares about all its users and will take my scribble as a note in further development of Adobe Audition which is the greatest audio software.

    Inspiring
    April 19, 2011

    Alex, as a long-time user of the software and member of related communities, I think I'll stick my nose out here to thank you for breaking your silence. and making a great point (and politely!).  Did you see the other thread concerning the release?  Durin invited feedback from the user community directly, as well as through a survey.  Perhaps you could get the word out to as many users you know as possible to let their voice be heard through this survey link:

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/auditionfeedback

    Meanwhile, AA3, or even 1.5, are great products for many things, and there's nothing wrong with sticking with them if they get the job done!  However, it's been a long time since I've done a job in 1.5 that I thought was faster.  But I know there are definitely some slicker spots.

    Good success to you, and thanks again for posting your point of view.

    April 19, 2011

    I also think Alex has made a very important point. Those of us who test and maintain audio hardware also need the reliable test tools that the software traditionally provided.

    Participant
    April 17, 2011

    I'm very dissappointed that grouping of clips has been removed.  Grouping is such a natural part of my radio production/journalism workflow (and that of my colleagues).  If I want to adjust some timings in the middle of a piece I'm working on, in the past my clips would have already been grouped and I just have to shift it all over. Now, I have to manually click on each clip *every time.*  In a 7 minute radio piece I might have 50 clips and not having grouping makes it so easy to make mistakes.  Everything else about the Mac version of Audition (in the beta) works so beautifully, I'd hate to have to go back to running Parallels and Windows on my Mac just for Audition 3.0!

    Regards,

    David Polk

    Producer

    WFMT Chicago

    April 17, 2011

    Wow no grouping is a real disappointment for me too.  I use it daily in radio sessions.  From updating client tags and inserts and just shift the grouped masters and such along with half hour programing that segments change each week too is going to be a pain.  For every day radio work it looks like I'lll be hanging on to AA 3.01 which is our daily work horse for broadcasting anyway.    I'll still play with the new version for sure and will probably upgrade and have both programs in place BUT.... I can already see for Radio Broadcasting production and features it will be AA 3.01 as our reliable work horse.   Too bad no one thought of this as Audition is pretty much the go to daw for broadcasters for over a decade or more.

    Cheers

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 17, 2011

    Clip grouping must have been one of those less important yet easy to implement things that hit near the bottom of the list.  This is what happens when your on a tight schedule with a lot to do.   But you never know, you might get a patch release that adds in some of those simpler features...  Just don't hold your breath waiting for it...

    Honestly though, with all the new features, I think this release will be a very productive one given the heavy use of parallel processing...  I'll have to find a way to slow things down when I'm on an hourly job.  Something like not using groups might just be it.


    Well, I suppose you can justify just about anything if you try hard enough!

    You clearly missed your true vocation - as a spin doctor!