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editing features for radio documentaries

  • July 3, 2018
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Hello,

I am producing radio documentaries and can't find features, in an Audition CC Multitrack session, that are really needed for this kind of work (which do exist on more orientated radio production editing softwares). I went through Audition tutorials without success...

Merging and un-merging clips in multitrack session:

I would like to merge several clips into one single clip, to get the visual appearance of a single clip BUT I need to keep the ability to un-merge it in separate clips in case I need to make a new edit.  When clips are merged together with the 'merge clips' command, they become a new clip with no way back. Is there any way of getting a visual appearance of a merged single clip without physically producing a new clip ?

Preventing clips in a group from crossfading with the next or previous clip when moving the group on the timeline:

After grouping clips together (cmd-G), is there any way of blocking the clips inside a group from moving a bit or crossfading when I move the group on the timeline or on another track ?

Thanks for your help,

cheers, Laurent

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ryclark
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July 3, 2018

Rather than merging the clips leave them in place where they are on their own tracks as you want them. Then instead of Merging the clips do a Mixdown to new track. This will give you the appearance and sound of the 'merged' clips without destroying any that you may need to redo later. You can then just Mute the tracks that the clips came from and just listen to the Mixdown version. A bit like pre-rendering a set of video clips.

This is the whole beauty of working in Multitrack in Audition which is what it is meant for, not just for music editing. All your work is saved as a session file which is non-destructive to the audio files and can be gone back to and changed at any time. the only time a new permanent file is created is when you Mixdown or Export.

As it is some musicians complain the opposite to you in that Audition is too orientated towards speech and FX editing for making music!

SteveG_AudioMasters_
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July 3, 2018

laurentK  wrote

Hello,

I am producing radio documentaries and can't find features, in an Audition CC Multitrack session, that are really needed for this kind of work (which do exist on more orientated radio production editing softwares). I went through Audition tutorials without success... 

Audition is more widely used for radio editing than any other software on the planet, and has been for a long time. For you to claim that it's not as oriented as other software is slightly far-fetched, I'm afraid, and it's not exactly the way to endear yourself to anybody who might be able to help you...

Merging and un-merging clips in multitrack session:

I would like to merge several clips into one single clip, to get the visual appearance of a single clip BUT I need to keep the ability to un-merge it in separate clips in case I need to make a new edit.  When clips are merged together with the 'merge clips' command, they become a new clip with no way back. Is there any way of getting a visual appearance of a merged single clip without physically producing a new clip ? 

Yes, the 'merge clips' does this, and it also warns you that it's going to. But you will also observe that in the files list, the original clips are all still there, and since you would be attempting to remake your sequence anyway, it wouldn't be so much of a problem to put them back. What you are asking for is only a 'visual' effect; there's nothing functional about it. The norm is to create the mix sounding the way you want and mix that down to a single file, and save the session. If you need to go back, then all you need to do is re-open the session - no need to unmake anything.


Preventing clips in a group from crossfading with the next or previous clip when moving the group on the timeline:

After grouping clips together (cmd-G), is there any way of blocking the clips inside a group from moving a bit or crossfading when I move the group on the timeline or on another track ? 

This, on the other hand, shouldn't be happening. Others have commented on it, and we suspect that it's a bug that's being fixed; it doesn't normally do this at all. If you group clips, then the entire group should stay as you have it when you move it; there should be no relative movement within it at all.

laurentKAuthor
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July 3, 2018

Dear Steve,

Thank you very much for your reply. Sorry if my English is not so good but I didn't meant to criticize Audition for radio. I am actually testing it to see if we can move from Sadie to Audition CC.

Editing radio documentaries is a bit different from editing music : I think it is closer to editing a feature film with hundreds of clips with cut and fade transitions and sequences that you move many times from one place of the timeline to another. Do do this, you need very flexible tools maybe not so useful for music production but which can be found in video editing softwares like Premiere Pro.

For example, I have here on my timeline a  short 30 seconds sequence of a speech which is made of 17 clips, with 'cut' and a few fades transitions between two clips and I already know that I might do several more edits in these clips later before finishing my documentary. Therefore re-importing clips from a 'merged' clip as you suggest is not so great as it is complicated and I would also loose all the fades I have done in the first place...

Thank you also for explaining that the clips changing place in groups when they are moved on the timeline is a bug that should be fixed. Have you got an idea when it should be done (this behavior drives me crazy) ?

I will keep continue to explore Audition during a few weeks  before taking a decision on the choice of software we should do. If anyone use Audition in a similar way we do, I would be really happy to hear from her or him !

Thanks for your help...

ryclark
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July 4, 2018

No! This is completely back to front!

laurentK  wrote

I realize also that many of these very flexible editing features I really need for radio documentaries are offered in Premiere Pro as they are basic functions to video or film editors (inserting a clip while moving every tracks of the session, nesting a group of clips...).

You can do all of this in Audition (at least in principle, when the group bug is fixed). Grouping clips works fine, as does both ripple insert and delete. It's Audition that provides the extra flexibility to Premiere's rather flawed audio, not the other way around. Premiere doesn't even get the audio levels correct across its tracks, for heaven's sake... The entire reason for Adobe acquiring Audition's predecessor in the first place (rather a long time ago now) was so that ultimately, you could fix audio for video. The idea was to do this without compromising the existing feature set, and indeed its ability to do radio, video, acoustic music, SFX and pretty much anything else has improved steadily over the years.

Believe me, if there was anything seriously wrong with Audition as a broadcast sound editor, several million users would have made their feelings about it known a long time ago! Yes there are minor niggles, but fundamentally it's sound (please excuse the pun).


It is always a wrench when you migrate from one software to another, since your well honed workflow will never quite match the facilities of the new DAW. Hang in there. You may even find that in the end, after some preliminary hiccoughs, that you actually like Audition better, especially comparing the price of the two.