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Opinions on the new Adobe Audition

  • April 28, 2011
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Please do not mistake this thread for a dupe of the other thread of a similar topic, I'd like to give a more in depth opinion of the new version of Audition compared to its predecessor.

For the past five years I have spent many hours of most days experimenting with audio, specifically audio restoration. I tried countless other applications before discovering Audition and none could offer what I was looking for. When I did discover Audition (version 3), about 3 years ago, it is one of the very few pieces of software I have since installed on every computer I use. It was extremely easy to use whilst having an incredible array of functions. The help manual was extremely comprehensive, giving detailed instructions and explanation of every single option in Audition, this alone I thought deserves praise. The program constantly delighted me; it seemed tailored to the needs of someone who would be using it to its full potential. I was constantly discovering new levels of potential that Audition offered and it has been the invaluable in allowing me to provide much needed audio restoration for vinyl rips of tunes that would otherwise become lost forever. With all that Audition v3 offered I could master even the worst, hiss-filled, click-ridden, muffled vinyl rips to recordings that would sound perfectly acceptable to be released on professional CDs.

I could not fault Audition v3, but I could, however, think of improvements, albeit very few. For years I eagerly awaited a new version and now it has arrived, I have to admit I am a quite disappointed.

The improvements that I had hoped would have been applied, have not. Instead, it seems to be a basic edition of version 3 except with a makeover. It does indeed work slightly faster, for example, instead of taking 6-7 seconds to load a track in version 3, it only seems to take 3-4 in version 4. Unfortunately this is about the only thing I can praise it for. The layout is unnecessarily complicated. I always valued audition for its extremely ergonomic layout, making it an extremely unconfusing application to work with. The new layout is clustered and unnecessary. I appreciate that I can alter the layout to what I would like, but it's unnecessary hassle to have to make it usable - I have never had to alter the layout of version 3 from its default. The available effects of the new version are the same as the old version, this alone was a little disheartening as I was anticipating numerous new abilities, but I can't really think of what else could be added, so I overlooked this. I can't, however, overlook that the processes are far more basic than what they were in version 3 and do not offer the ability to alter them to my exact needs, the declick effect being a prime example. Version 3's declick process had a vast array of settings allowing me to amend them to my exact requirements, the new version simply has 2 sliders, not even a "fix single click" option. I also feel that the help file is marginally more difficult to navigate than in the previous version.

I have to say that I agree with what was said in the previous thread, this new version simply appears to be a rehash of Soundbooth, which I have always perceived (as do many other people I have spoken to) to be a layman's version of Audition v3.


In conclusion, I regret to say that I'm sticking to v3. The new version only offers slightly faster processing, but at the cost of most of its functioning.


What's going on? Surely this is the reverse of how updates work?

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    Participating Frequently
    August 27, 2011

    I got Audition CS 5.5 when my new computer got the BSOD several times during normal editing on Audition 3. My new system is 64 bit, 8 core. The new Audition definitely takes advantage of the extra processing power. The one sore spot for me is the multitrack workflow. In my opinion, the multitrack workflow on Audition 3 was close to perfect. Now, I have to go through extra steps to accomplish the same thing. Usually, I am quick to adapt to new technology. This is giving me fits.

    First off, the mouse wheel horizontal zoom is intact on the waveform screen, but has changed to vertical scrolling on the multitrack when editing clips. This is extremely annoying, as I now have to go to the timeline at the top of the screen to zoom in horizontally. When working with multiple tracks, this is cumbersome and time consuming. The scroll bar on the right was adequate as it was...so I see no need to change the mouse wheel scrolling from horizontal to vertical. In addition, the funtionality of being able to zoom into tracks vertically on the scroll bar to the right has moved to the track controls on the left of the screen.

    Being able to move forward by grabbing the timeline at the top and moving is also gone. I like the zoom window at the top which allows me to widen or narrow the view, but not at the cost of prior functionality.

    The loss of the hybrid tool, and proliferation of the "Time Selection", Moving Tool" and Razor Tool" is devastating. Now, I have to set additional keyboard shortcuts to get the full functionality of what used to be the hybrid tool. Now, I must toggle between the  "Time Selection" tool and the "Move" tool to accomplish what used to amount to pressing  "control", grabbing the audio and moving it wherever I like. It has slowed down the workflow tremendously in that respect. While the razor tool is ok, it is redundant to anyone who uses "split" for the same function.

    Pros: I like the History window. I also like being able to  "reveal in explorer". I like having the dropdown list of recent sessions and files when opening sessions/files. Being able to sync Quicktime files in the video window is a godsend.

    As for the touted "improved workflow", I have to take issue with that. After all the iterations of Audition, there are still the unexplained crashes. Definite advantages. Absolute disadvantages. I'm about evenly split. As for all of the alleged "missing stuff", I really haven't found anything glaring that has impeded me. It's the added stuff in the multitrack workflow that provides the stick in the spokes.

    In the waveform view, it's weird not to be able to simply click on a channel to disable the other to change the amplitude ,etc. The up and down arrow shortcut (which only works in the waveform view) can't be modified with custom shortcuts, as I use the arrows for zoom functions in my custom shortcuts. I never have used the default shortcuts. This has messed with the uniformity of my custom shortcuts, and I have been forced to find a workaround. 

    I recommend the developers take a good long look at what made the multitrack editing in 3.0 so effortless, and implement it in the next version. perhaps a patch to restore the prior functionalities?

    Participant
    August 27, 2011

    A really interesting read there. One thing, regarding the missing stuff (note my lack of ''s as I do think they exist): I really do need to be able to group clips together.  I recently produced the audio for some animation in a game I'm working on for a major developer.  They decided on a re-edit late in the day and it made life a lot harder not being able to simply group samples together and shift them en-masse.

    That said, being able to have multiple sessions open is fantastic.  I was able to work on difference elements of the full mix (foley, voice, ambience) then bring them together in one full session. Having the seperate sessions open inthe background meant I was able to constantly go back and cross reference.

    One thing that would be great in a situation like this: if the full power of Edit Original could be harnessed in Audition. I'd love to be able (while working on a final mix session containing different stems) to open a session containing one element (eg foley) to make a change, then have that re-exported file appear in the full mix, without having to shut that down. It works like this between AA and Premiere.

    I know the first part of this does already exist but you can't replace a file that's open in a session without closing that session down first.

    It would be great to see the message, "You are about to over-write a file currently in use in another session. Yes / No?"

    I can but dream................

    Participant
    May 14, 2011

    I mostly use AA for creating archive recordings from live concerts and some session work.  I like a few things about the new version; it seems much faster, overall.

    Since there isn't a conversion available from the previous session files I attempted to setup a session with the same settings as a session in AA 3 now I find what is missing.  Hopefully I'm not familiar to find these features in the new version and someone could chime in.

    Input Gain on mixer

    Stereo Expander Effect missing

    Mix Paste, unable to Mix Paste from a File, used this quite a bit in AA 3

    "Transport" Record/Play not on Mixer tab, unless you enable, then you have two "Transports" on the Editor tab, taking up screen space

    The new phase meter, is nice that it is available in Multitrack, but I want the more detailed Phase Analysis back

    Right click to add Marker in Multitrack

    CD Burning

    Noise shaping completely different - probably a good thing!

    David

    Participant
    May 13, 2011

    I was wrong on one thing - playing video in AA CS 5.5 is a nightmare! The same .avi that plays beautifully in 3.0 is all blurry in 5.5 and it won't even touch .wmvs. An MP4 that is supposed to play won't. I'm working on a promo video of a game for E3 and it's a nightmare. After using 5.5 solidly for two weeks I have to go back to 3.0. Can anyone help on this? I need to get it to either play the MP4 I have been sent, or play a wmv version, or play an avi that I spat out of Premiere as crisply as 3.0 does.

    Thanks

    Participant
    May 12, 2011

    I've commented elsewhere on this forum but as I have been using AA CS5.5 every working day for the last couple of weeks, I thought I'd add something here.

    I count myself as a 'power user', running an audio house that works mainly in the games industry and having used very iteration of AA from Cool Edit Pro 1.0 to the current version. 5.5 is, in so many ways, a great tool but I have to keep going back to 3.0 to carry out some tasks.  That's not how progress is supposed to be.

    At random, here are some 'must haves' that were not carried across:

    Previewing files before Import.  I need to hear a file before I import it.  It's vital. Like, really, really vital.

    Previewing files in the Files Organiser pane. See above.

    Clip Grouping.  Vital if I have to drop something into the middle of a mix and generally very useful in a complex session. Now gone.

    Export Audio to Video / Mixdown to Video.  A very useful feature if you don't happen to have Premiere or even if you have. Now gone.

    CD burning. AA 3.0 had one of the best CD creation packages / applications around. I didn't use it all that often but when I did I was always impressed with how you could take it raw material at the start of a project and spit out a Master Disc at the other. Nero is for making home cd's, not studio masters. Bring It Back.

    Hardware Support / Mackie Control. So we finally gain proper 5.1 mixing but then lose the chance to use hardware to mix in 5.1 / stereo / mono. Even my humble jog wheel won't work.

    Pitch Bender. I couldn't tell you how many times, as a sound designer, I've used this over the years.  Being able to take pitch up, down, down a bit more, then up again, across a single sample was brilliant. The replacement doesn't cut it quite the same. I want Pitch Bender back!

    BUT: 5.5 is stunningly quick, very stable, sounds amazing, looks great, is very powerful, has proper 5.1 with a channel mixer for doing fold-downs, runs plugins better, handles video better, runs Batch Processing sooo much better (childs play compared to 3.0), converts file types & sample rates soooooo much better... It actually is a long list.

    Which one outweighs the other? I still haven't decided so I am having to use both for now.

    Roll on CS 6.0......

    Message was edited by: jerry.ibbotson for dodgy spelling

    _durin_
    Community Manager
    Community Manager
    May 12, 2011

    thanks Jerry.  great feedback.  the good news is that CS6 should address most of those requests, and in fact several are alrewady working in our  internal builds.  it might be worth noting that all supported OS's, with the notable exception of Windows XP, allow for previewing from the file open dialog using OS features like QuickLook on Mac.  I dont remember if Microsoft  branded their preview or not.  In Audition 3 we were able to hack the OS file open dialog to incorporate preview and file info, but that ability was pretty negatively affected with Vista and Win7 as well as Mac.  While it was never trivial, it became far more difficult and kludgy.  you might also recall that Au3 could only preview through the OS audio output and not the ASIO device or output in Au.  We're looking at possible solutions as we move forward, but right now I don't have a specific answer.

    miserable form experience right now on mobile.  will be reporting.

    March 1, 2012

    > I don't know if it helps much to shift things along a little, but since I can't get any official word one way or another from Adobe,

    >I will be officially freezing our Audition licenses at 3.0 and not upgrading.

    Oh we long ago stopped licencing Audition.  Each upgrade was relatively minor compared to the upgrade cost (I know some will debate that) and 5.5 was actually a downgrade.

    We look forward to the next edition, but we promise we will be looking over it VERY carefully.


    Downgrade!!That is true!! And upgrade that takes away features would be a downgrade!! You nailed this one!! Adobe, You ever hear of a patch?!!!!

    May 12, 2011

    @ Ron / durin / etc:

    Something else I am missing in the Edit view: In AA3 when I cut/etc an audio file I use the right click > go to next zero crossing feature...

    This seems to have gone ... or is it there under a different name?

    Please let me know. And if this has been removed can you make it a high priority for the next release, as I don't want to use any audio editor that omits such an essential and basic feature... Thanks!

    _colin_
    Adobe Employee
    Adobe Employee
    May 13, 2011

    @Andrew - If I understand your post correctly, you're looking to Snap to the next zero crossing in order to make your cut/edit? If so, you can go to the edit menu and under snapping, ensure only "snap to zero crossing" is enabled, then your CTI in Edit View should snap you to the zero crossings at all times. again, hope I'm understanding your need.

    Colin

    May 12, 2011

    The ability to real time mute/silence audio at the same time it was being recorded was a huge time save in A3... Now I'm wasting time listening to audio and deleating after the recording.. Is there a way do this in CS5.5??

    Participant
    May 11, 2011

    Thanks for the response... but there are a lot of people like me who saw it as not only a viable music creation devise but superior to a lot of the DAWs out there on the market. Tons of great songs were recorded, edited, mixed and master using Audition. The layout was easier and cleaner then most competetion. Yes the Midi wasn't in the same leage as Ableton, but most people who used Audition understood that and were more forcused on the recording part of the features.

    As far as Audition not wanting to compete with other DAW software, I didn't see it. Why else add Midi, third party plug ins etc.

    A lot of people like me are sad to see Adobe go in this direction, but I understand... times change, products change and priorties change and I don't blame Adobe for putting it's eggs in the basket that will bear the most fruit.

    Just disappointed and sad to see the writing on the wall....

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 11, 2011

    edzell91 wrote:


    As far as Audition not wanting to compete with other DAW software, I didn't see it. Why else add Midi, third party plug ins etc.

    Because to a lot of people, DAW doesn't equal music creation software at all. Most, if not all, music software has loads of stuff like stave support, loads of extra MIDI bits, you name it - but it doesn't have anything like the editing capability of Audition. And generally the other manufacturers know it, which is why they allow links within the software to let you use an external editor like Audition very easily. For a long time, a lot of enlightened users used Sonar in conjunction with Audition, because this combination worked really well. I know of people now using Audition as an editor with Reaper and getting on fine with it like this too. What you end up doing is playing to each program's strengths, not its weaknesses.

    So the idea is that you do the music creation in whatever software you choose, and then you can either mix your resultant audio in Audition, or even do the mix in your music software and master the result in Audition. So no, you don't add MIDI; it's pointless in this scenario. You don't need VSTi's either.

    What I don't get is why people ever thought Audition was a music composition tool in the first place - it never has been. There really is far better software around to do that. And on that basis, it doesn't need ReWire either - although there might be a case for implementing some of its capability.

    But from Adobe's POV (at least at a corporate level) this really doesn't matter - all the beancounters are interested in is having a program that's compatible with the rest of the CS. Whilst they might not mind the devs putting in various music-related bits to it, I think it's unlikely that they will be able to do this until all of the video-related stuff is rock-solid and complete, at a bare minimum - which it isn't, yet. And I think that this may go some way to explaining why it's the stuff that people doing music seem to want that's mostly not present at the moment.

    Participant
    May 6, 2011

    I'm a 50's Rock 'n' Roll collector, I use Audition mainly for sound restoring from vinyl to digital in conjunction with CEDAR system. Now about Audition CS5.5...

    PRO:

    • better scalability, faster than previous versions
    • waveform/spectral possible to display in the same window

    CONS:

    • no DirectX plugins support
    • lots of effects not available anymore
    • horrible position of the Effects panel - it takes space from the waveform view.  People generally zoom horizontally (extended to left & right) and that's exactly where the new Effects panel cut the space.
    • So many drawbacks as I give up...

    Audition CS5.5 transformed from a high-specialised audio editor in an amateur, easy-to-use gadget.

    Thank you, but I'll stick with Au 3.0.1,  I prefer to work slower, but with decent tools.

    Inspiring
    May 6, 2011

    i want to say i LOVE the background rendering/processing. THAT in itself is simply wonderful.

    Participant
    May 5, 2011

    After using sweet spot Tool Ses2Sesx to convert AU3 session files to sesx

    That's all for now

    ================

    Thanks Ron for the speedy reply.

    I noticed your reply when I was about going out. I'll return to read it more carefully and comment if needed.

    Thanks again.

    Message was edited by: JohnMina2006 to clear repetitions and thank  Ron

    Participant
    May 5, 2011

    Today I used Audition 5.5 for the first time. Here's my first impression about it:

    Pro

    • Adding pre rendering to cpu intensive effects to play real time without delay.
    • integration with Pre Pro.
    • New Look of workspace and the way to change from waveform display to spectral
    • Introducing spectral frequency to Multitrack session
    • Razor and slip tools added
    • adding effects to single clip in multitrack session
    • adding surround reverb (Y)

    Cons

    • Problems in importing xml seesion created with Audition 3 especially effects
    • Removing some effects !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! e.g. Echo chamber, multitab delay... etc... WHY?
    • Changing the old keyboard shortcuts!!!!!! {You should have retained the old ones or at least enable calling them back from keyboard shortcuts prefrences like what you did in Adobe premiere who used finalcut you allowed them to use FinalCut's shortcuts inside A Premiere!!!!!} you should adhere to consistency to make it easier for musicians and regular users.

    That's all for now

    I'm expecting to hear from Adobe representatives about these remarks.

    I'll follow up with pros and cons as I dig deeper into Audition 5.5

    Thank you

    Ron_Day
    Participating Frequently
    May 5, 2011

    JohnMina2006 wrote

    Cons

    • Problems in importing xml seesion created with Audition 3 especially effects
    • Removing some effects !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! e.g. Echo chamber, multitab delay... etc... WHY?
    • Changing the old keyboard shortcuts!!!!!! {You should have retained the old ones or at least enable calling them back from keyboard shortcuts prefrences like what you did in Adobe premiere who used finalcut you allowed them to use FinalCut's shortcuts inside A Premiere!!!!!} you should adhere to consistency to make it easier for musicians and regular users.

    Hey John,

    I'll tackle these each point by point:

    1. Audition CS5.5 can read in most of the information from XML sessions, but effects are not included. This is mostly because of how much effort would have been required to map all of the old effects (and some effects we don't have yet in the cross-platform version) to the new version with cross-platform effects. You mght want to try a free tool which converts legacy .ses files to .sesx with effects: http://www.aatranslator.com.au/ses2sesx.html

    2. This is just a case of not having enough time to re-implement these effects to be cross-platform. We didn't remove anything, we re-wote Audition from the ground up to be compliant with both Mac and Windows. Because of this we have implemented the highest priority features (including effects) and will continue to do so for future versions.

    3. Please let us know what shortcuts changed and we can take a look. We really did try to keep most of the shortcuts the same (at least on Windows) while on Mac there are some rules which prevented us from matching everything exactly (like the F keys being tied to the Mac OS as an example). We also have a Keyboard Shortcuts panel that allows you to edit and create your own sets. As for the Premiere feature with different sets for different products, that was also a feature in our backlog we just didn't have the time for. We also hope to improve this for future versions and we do have plans to do so as we move forward.

    Thanks for the feedback!

    --Ron

    Participating Frequently
    May 5, 2011

    Ron, in all fairness to the developers at www.aatranslator.com.au, it should be mentioned that, although anyone could download a limited version of the Ses2Sesx tool for free, it really falls into the category of donationware due to the amount of work that has gone into its creation, and should therefore be mentioned as such.

    In the interests of disclosure, I am not any part of the team that has been developing Ses2Sesx or associated products; I have bought their excellent AATranslator, and have been extremely impressed with the virtually immediate response to, and resolution of, any issues that I have encountered with it. I therefore feel quite strongly that they ought to be supported in their efforts, especially as they are addressing some of the, understandably legitimate, shortcomings of the latest version of Audition.

    Best Regards,

    Steve.