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siegbrunn
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March 28, 2019
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"Assigning" tracks to Stereo L and R

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I've had Audio (as part of the complete Adobe subscription) for a while but my usage till now has been limited, and then only to single tracks. Now I have a project that's been handed to me that is over my head, but it's a question of learning by doing.

I must edit and mix 5 opera arias with orchestra and voice  and originally each aria has 27 tracks with strings, brass, etc etc. I'm not so hare-brained that I think I can handle 27 tracks but I've reduced it to

Voice - 2 tracks

Decca (all) 3 tracks L, C, R

Far L & R

Wide L & R

9 tracks.

Don't worry, BTW, this is not for Columbia Records. But I need a basic way to do this.

OK here's the question. The editing/cut  I can handle. But how do I assign the L & R tracks to the proper stereo placement when I am ready to ask Audition to put the whole thing together. I've tried to pluck this concept out of the Handbook PDF but I'm not making any progress.

Any help for me? My work is generally in graphics or "single-track" audio, but I've got an adequate brain to master this if someone can point me to the right "buttons"

Thanks.

PS Audition CC2019 on Win 10

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Correct answer SteveG_AudioMasters_

Balance an orchestra 101:

I'll take a guess here that all of the other tracks you've got are spot mics around the orchestra, and you'd only really need those for solos, or if that section was particularly weak.

As for the rest, it's fairly straightforward, but don't try and do it as stereo pairs, even though it's tempting, as groups are far more use. I'm assuming that this is a Decca Tree with a couple of outriggers. You need the L and R panned mid-left and mid-right, and the centre panned (obviously) central. When you've got the balance about right for that, then assign these to a stereo group. Also in this group you can include the wide L and R (the outriggers), probably panned hard left and hard right. This group is now your main orchestral balance, and you'll have that on a single fader. You may find that you need less centre than you might have thought*, and the balance of that is quite critical; you can only really set that after getting the other L&R balances about right. You need to set all of this up first. The one thing you will notice from the outriggers is that you get far more of the strings on them, and this will probably determine their final balance in the mix.

The far L & R are your ambience mics, and these will also need to be panned hard left and right, and in another group (unless you want to reduce them to a single stereo track, but it's probably not worth it), and you add those to taste - sometimes you don't need them at all. Without hearing it, I have no idea - it's generally hall-dependent though; some give back more than others!

Having got the orchestral balance sounding good, then you have only to pan the soloist mics central and get the levels of those correct. If there is more than one person singing, you might like to pan each of them very slightly L and R. The reason for the * above is that the soloist mics will also pick up the orchestra centre to an extent, which is why you might need a bit less from the C in the Decca Tree, but...

Opera singers are a PITA, quite frankly. They are too loud! Chances are that you will end up with quite a lot of them in the Decca mics anyway, and all you'll need the soloist mics for is a little clarity.

If you find that you need to use any of the spot mics, then it's important that you pan them to the same place that you can hear the instrument from in the stereo field, otherwise it mucks this up completely. And use them subtly!

That should be enough to get you going, I hope...

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Community Expert
March 28, 2019

Just a question, is it normal to time delay the solos and spot mics to match the Decca tree?

siegbrunn
siegbrunnAuthor
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March 28, 2019

Richard, you'll have to ask Steve that. I'm a real dunce at this. Trying to learn in a day or two what profis spend years learning.

SteveG_AudioMasters_
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SteveG_AudioMasters_Community ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
March 28, 2019

Balance an orchestra 101:

I'll take a guess here that all of the other tracks you've got are spot mics around the orchestra, and you'd only really need those for solos, or if that section was particularly weak.

As for the rest, it's fairly straightforward, but don't try and do it as stereo pairs, even though it's tempting, as groups are far more use. I'm assuming that this is a Decca Tree with a couple of outriggers. You need the L and R panned mid-left and mid-right, and the centre panned (obviously) central. When you've got the balance about right for that, then assign these to a stereo group. Also in this group you can include the wide L and R (the outriggers), probably panned hard left and hard right. This group is now your main orchestral balance, and you'll have that on a single fader. You may find that you need less centre than you might have thought*, and the balance of that is quite critical; you can only really set that after getting the other L&R balances about right. You need to set all of this up first. The one thing you will notice from the outriggers is that you get far more of the strings on them, and this will probably determine their final balance in the mix.

The far L & R are your ambience mics, and these will also need to be panned hard left and right, and in another group (unless you want to reduce them to a single stereo track, but it's probably not worth it), and you add those to taste - sometimes you don't need them at all. Without hearing it, I have no idea - it's generally hall-dependent though; some give back more than others!

Having got the orchestral balance sounding good, then you have only to pan the soloist mics central and get the levels of those correct. If there is more than one person singing, you might like to pan each of them very slightly L and R. The reason for the * above is that the soloist mics will also pick up the orchestra centre to an extent, which is why you might need a bit less from the C in the Decca Tree, but...

Opera singers are a PITA, quite frankly. They are too loud! Chances are that you will end up with quite a lot of them in the Decca mics anyway, and all you'll need the soloist mics for is a little clarity.

If you find that you need to use any of the spot mics, then it's important that you pan them to the same place that you can hear the instrument from in the stereo field, otherwise it mucks this up completely. And use them subtly!

That should be enough to get you going, I hope...

SteveG_AudioMasters_
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Community Expert
March 28, 2019

I should add that whatever you do, don't attempt to balance this on headphones - it will come out wrong!

siegbrunn
siegbrunnAuthor
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March 28, 2019

Thank you SO much for your assistance Steve.

OK, I'll get started on this. Learning by doing, as I said. If I get ONE

done, the others will go much faster.

There's only one voice (a heldentenor,) and it IS a big voice, but the

mikes aren't particularly loud. (I think the sound guys were afraid of his

voice so they kept them relatively "soft") I'll have to push them a

bit actually.

I don't think I'll get started with the "spot mikes" from the rest of the

orchestra, that really does go beyond my current competence.

As far as the hall goes, the engineers seem to have recorded with very

little "hall" and I'll have to add a tick to the vice anyway, But I tend to

be conservative with it, don't worry.

If I manage this and don't start tearing my hair out, I'll let you hear a

bit of it.

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