adobe audition 13.0.5 melodyne4 Bounce

Report · Apr 23, 2020

I'm Japanese, so I ask a question by automatic translation

I want to bounce an effect with adobe audition and change the pitch with melodyne4

Pitch is not reflected even if you bounce something in the track effect

Other effects are reflected

Please tell me if you know the solution

Report · Apr 23, 2020

I tested this, and I think that there is something strange going on. I tried to use Melodyne 4 from within Audition, and even though it says that it is installed correctly, Melodyne will not open if you make a selection and try to use it. I get an effect window in which it should open, but it is blank - nothing at all. I have tried this in Waveform and Multitrack and it is the same in both.

I do not know what is wrong with it. On the face of it, it should work like this, but clearly it doesn't. I don't even know if this is a Melodyne problem or an Audition one, but I will try to find out. My experience of Melodyne though is that it works well as a standalone program, and that's how I always use it.

Report · May 25, 2020

Hi. I've got more or less the same Problem. I tried with Celemony Melodyne, Antares Autotune and one that is called "vielklang", all as a trial-installation. All of them should do more or less the same, for me important manual pitch correction.

Celemony Melodyne: Changes will not be applied to wave, even if you are applying and everything looks good - only when you hear it again you notice that the work was in vain.

Antares Autotune: Changes will be applied, but no matter what was worked out, the entire sequence is reduced to just one tone!

Vielklang: Audition cant open this Plugin, it isnt showed in plugin window (audition and plugin are 64bit, VST & VST3 Version - both were not found by audition).

I downloaded Trail-Versions of other DAWs, Presonus Studio One 4 and the actual Reaper. All three Plugins work fine with Studio One and Reaper - so I'm pretty sure it's not a failure of these three plugins, the problem is in Audition.

I read something about ARA and ARA2 -support. I don't know what ARA means or is, but it's mostly said that it is important for those plugins and as far as I know, Audition don't support ARA. Is this correct?
That said, is it also true that such plugins can never work in audition?

Before someone tells me "manual pitch correction"-tool in Audition could be the solution - tried to learn to use it. Not that difficult, but it is heavy time consuming, confusing and simply not an alternative to the plugins mentioned before.

n addition, it is extremely cumbersome that this, like the plugins mentioned, if they would work, can only be used in the editor. In other words, you can only hear the track you are editing, never in the meantime how the corrections affect the overall sound.

It is clear to me that Audition is not known as the DAW with which you record and mix orchestras or bands. But to say the least it is quite embarrassing that Audition is so behind the times, considering that it is one of the much more expensive DAWs on the market.

In summary: Audition does not seem to be able to use these plugins correctly (explicitly the graphical, manual mode), right or wrong?
If correct, will there be an update in the foreseeable future to compensate for this weakness?
If such an update came, would it turn out to be possible to use a manual pitch correction in multitrack mode (would be very helpful!)?

Again, what is currently offered as manual pitch correction is unfortunately of little help, much too slow to use and also only available in editor mode - in short, useless.

Thanks a lot for any help or ideas or knowledge 😉

Report · May 25, 2020

The Melodyne issue is a known bug, and acknowledged by the developers. Melodyne worked fine with the previous three releases - it's only the present one that has the issues. The other plugins I know nothing about, but I will note that Audition has a long history of being very grumpy about poorly-written VSTs, and there are quite a lot of those about. Even Waves had to do a rewrite because of Audition, after all.

And there's nothing wrong with using Audition for editing and mixing orchestras or live band performances - I do it regularly, and it works fine. And anyway, it's not a DAW as such - it's editing software and not intended as a music composition tool. And as for thinking that Audition is expensive, I suggest that you have a look at Pyramix for a comparison. The basic Pyramix 12 is currently $2,656.00, and that really doesn't get you a lot. And all the other ones that offer similar facilities (Sequoia, Sadie etc) are also similarly expensive, when you consider that with most of them you have to pay for upgrades as you go along. And by the accounts I've read, they're all perfectly capable of crashing at embarrassing moments. So Audition is actually pretty good value, even though as you say it's not a mainstream music product - that's not really what it's about.

Report · May 25, 2020

Hello.

Thanks for sharing knowledge. Okay, maybee Audition isnt the end of the line in price - after downloading trial-versions of Reaper and Studio One I looked what they or just Cubase will cost, that was basicly my argument.

But the price isnt what this threat should be about...

And you are right, I use Audition for mixing orchetras and bands, my comment was more aimed at the fact that other DAWs are represented more often for this work than audition, so audition is more of a niche here. I think the focus here is on other things, e.g. TV and radio production. I love the workflow and the possibilities of Audtion. Unfortunately, it does not help me if a relevant part of my order cannot be completed ...

Mainly I see that those Plugins work fine in other DAWs - but not in Audition.

The Melodyne issue is a known bug, and acknowledged by the developers. - Great, I read about that, posts about this bug going back to january. Means "acknowledged" that this will be fixed some day?

Next point, Antares Autotune is the other "big player" in pitch correction, doesnt work, too. (poorly-written VSTs - well, do you think?) Only in Audition. Kind of strange that both major plugins for this only don't work in Audition but only in one case it's a Audition bug?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you know way better than me. Thats why I asked. But maybee you understand why I don't believe in two or three seperate problems. As far as I can imagine, it seems to be the same problem.

Waves does the job? Well, it's GUI is a bit outdatet, would be fine, but we're stuckin in a very small window - so its a scrolling adventure. And I don't know if it's work good in multitrack, but don't believe in that - do you know?

I need a solution, Waves would be ok for next few weeks, but not longer. You said that older Verions of Audition can handle Melodyne? Sure? Only in Editor or multitrack too? Maybee you can tell me what do you use?

Didn't get lots of benefit from last updates, downgrade would be okay for me. Nevertheless it's still a disappointing situation...

Thanks for your help!! If that came across (language barrier), my comments are certainly not directed against the one who was kindly willing to help me here, on the contrary, I am grateful for suggestions.

Report · May 26, 2020

Okay, some answers - 'acknowledged by the developers' means that it will get fixed. I have to put it like that, because if they can't reproduce a bug, then they are rather less likely to do anything about it, but hey, they can with this one - so it should get resolved. Especially as it worked before...

What do I use? Melodyne 4 but I use it as a standalone - I prefer it like that. I haven't tested it thoroughly, but at least it opens up correctly in all previous versions - just not the current release. I'll try it later and see what happens.

As for why several plugins don't work - well, there are at least two options. The simplest one is that somebody 'forgot' to install the 64-bit version - that's a guaranteed fail. Secondly, there's the dodgy coding issue. This is a lot harder to argue around because we know that correctly-coded VSTs do work as advertised, and that several that haven't worked previously now work fine after the coding errors have been removed. Up until now, I've only been aware of a single VST creator who has managed to point a legitimate finger at Audition for being the cause of their plugin not working correctly - other than that, it's always the plugin that's at fault. Now I would argue that Audition is really doing the industry a favour here; if your plugin works in Audition, it's almost guaranteed to work with anything else. The only thing wrong with the one that didn't work correctly, incidentally, was a return routing error, and that was Audition's fault, apparently - fixed a while back now. Now we have a second incidence - not a bad score...

Of course it could all be like ducks swimming - looks fine from the surface, but underneath there's a heck of a lot of paddling going on that we don't know about. I only get fed stuff pretty much on a need-to-know basis - I don't know anything like all of it, I'm sure.

Report · Feb 20, 2022

Hi SteveG_AudioMasters_

I'd like to add to this conversation that Waves Tune stopped working in 2020 as well - tons of work on a vocal track only to find that when I bounced it none of the work showed up. So I returned to the 2019 version of Audition where, like Melodyne, it worked and I have not tried to update Audition since. I recently purchased Melodyne Assistant 5 and was wondering if now might be the time to update my Audition software to the current version. Do you know if they have resolved the Melodyne/tuning software bug in Audition? As you noted with Melodyne and I can confirm with Waves Tune, prior to 2020 it all worked.

As an aside, it never even occured to me to comp a vocal track in Audition and then use the tuning software as a stand alone to create the final track. That alone might be all I need to move forward and not have to worry about bugs between Audition and tuning software. BTW I always appreciate finding your answers on the forum when I'm problem solving. I've been mixing with Audition since 2006, so your expertise is noticed and very appreciated. Thanks and God bless...

Report · Feb 20, 2022

Do I know if it's been fixed? No I don't, but there haven't been any complaints recently - not that this really proves anything, of course. As for Waves - well there have been several complaints about this recently, and I'm not sure how these have been resolved - or even if they have been. It might be worth reading the threads about it - they should be easy enough to find.