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April 16, 2012
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Tempo changes in CS6?

  • April 16, 2012
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Hi there,

Will CS6 allow users to have tempo changes in sessions? 

This is a very common feature that has been missing in Audition but is offered by ever other DAW out there.

Cheers.

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    Participant
    April 18, 2012

    I'm not even a Midi guy, never used it myself, but reading Steve's posts whenever people complain about ''missing features'' with each new release of Audition is hilariously depressing. When Midi is eventually implemented (not half assed), you guys will get what you want, and he'll look for something else that's missing to defend.

    For now, just accept it for what it is, and hope in the future (update or completely new version) they'll have more of the basics (as well as advanced features included or not included in traditional DAWs or "audio editing software")

    If you're a fan of Audition/Cool Edit, read _Durin_'s posts. Because even when things are missing, he isn't speaking from ignorance.

    Like I said, I'm not big on Midi. But DJwayne2000 (and others) has a point that shouldn't be easily dismissed or ignored. Artists all over the internet are hugely into Midi and would completely ignore a program that is weak in that area. For post-work, Mastering, editing, etc... Audition is still perfectly capable. I'm curious to see how well you guys are doing with Audition since the release of CS5.5.

    I want to see you guys do well. Despite what happened with CS5.5, I am still a fan. CS6 looks like a major upgrade. And I believe it'll do well. There are a whole lot of artists who need really good Midi to really consider a piece of software. Many respectable forums lead me to believe this is so. No use putting down features/tools (and forum members) just because Adobe hasn't been able to implement them correctly. You risk pushing away a lot of current and potential customers. But you know that.

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 18, 2012

    Well, you'd be entitled to your comprehensively uninformed views. Unfortunately.

    _durin_
    Community Manager
    Community Manager
    April 17, 2012

    Dynamic Tempo Mapping is a feature that is in our feature database backlog, and has been for a long time.  We prioritize it along with everything else during each development cycle and so far it has failed to make it above the cut line.  This isn't because Adobe hates musicians or that video takes priority over everything else, nor does the team have some set criteria to weigh feature priority.  It usually comes down to demand and dependencies. 

    Demand comes from this forum, absolutely, but also via email, customer visits, large license-holder requests, other teams and Suites at Adobe, management, industry trends, and our own intuition.  Dependencies, prerequisite features needed before implementing another, are also a critical factor in how a feature is prioritized. 

    As an immediate example, our Player - the component of Audition that handles the summing, mixing, and output of audio to devices, treats time and velocity of the playhead as static.  We can change the way the ticks on the the ruler are aligned, but a sample of audio is a sample of audio and plays back at 1/n the sample rate of the session.  To support a dynamic tempo map for playback, our player would either need to adjust the speed of the playead across the timeline but keeping the session UI linear, or maintaining the current playback speed but warping the displayed content so that two identical clips might represent completely different durations.  Now, there may be a more clever, simple way of addressing for the clip-based workflow, but demand has not been high enough to devote time to researching this.  It also doesn't really make sense as a playback mode without a MIDI sequencer implementation to take advantage of it,

    However, if what you're asking for is Dynamic Metronome to help with changes while recording, that's another matter.  I could certainly see incorporating keyframe parameter adjustment to the Metronome track to trigger changes to click track tempo and time signature.  Right now, it's a session-level property set.  In the meantime, one could set the metronome for their initial settings, make a time selection of 4 bars, and bounce the master to a new track.  Mute this, change your tempo, and repeat.  Loop enable these clips and you'll have a set of metronome "clips" you can drag around as needed to accomodate your changes.  (Be sure to mute or disable the original metronome track after you've made your changes or things are going to get very syncopated, very quickly.)

    Participating Frequently
    April 17, 2012

    Many moons ago Durin stated that multiple tempos within a session, or a tempo automation lane, was something he himself would like to see in Audition.

    I know this feature has been requested.

    We might get surprised...You never know.

    Duff

    Participating Frequently
    April 17, 2012

    Maybe they should eliminate the record enable feature too. After all it's only an editing program now, not for music production.

    Sounds to me somebody is just making excuses.

    Participating Frequently
    April 18, 2012

    Actually, MIDI is bit of an ambiguous term in this case. It's both the hardware protocol (SteveG's criticism of which is entirely valid) but it's also shorthand for the all-software solution of feeding notes to VST Instruments, where virtually none of the hardware-inherent restrictions (such as latency and polyphony) are applicable. I assume this is what djwayne is talking about.

    Anyway, I still think this feature set is a Pandora's box best left unopened. Feature creep is an ugly thing to watch.


    Sorry Steve, but you're dead wrong. Goto East West's Sounds Online website and lisen to some of the demo's that are scored with thier sound sample programs using a midi host. They are producing movie soundtracks with this stuff !! Latency is a problem that's been solved many years ago. Do you think sound sample companies could survive if midi didn't work right ?? Hardly. Try listening to some of Ivory's II piano sample programs sometime, they sound fabulous but require a midi host program to operate. Why do you think the most poular music production programs (Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Reaper) host midi ??  Because it works and is a fabulous tool in the right hands. In the wrong hands it's a disaster. Obviously you don't have any midi production skills, or else you wouldn't be making such outlandish statements.

    By the way, that Beethoven's 5th example I gave you was done using and old Sonar's Home Studio program. I think I paid $99 for it.

    If Adobe wants to compete with the big boys, they've got a lot of catching up to do.

    Kost7
    Participating Frequently
    April 17, 2012

    That would be awesome!...  ???

    Paul_Ferguson
    Inspiring
    April 17, 2012

    Isn't a tempo change feature typical of softwares that work with beats and loops and MIDI?

    SteveG_AudioMasters_
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 17, 2012

    Yes, it's a function of music composition software, and Audition isn't that.