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Christian Leibig
Inspiring
December 12, 2024

Timeline/performance problems since 25.2.0 Build 50

  • December 12, 2024
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I've posted this in the other thread about the timeline issues, but maybe it's better suited as a new bug report.

Since the latest build (25.2.0 Build 50) I'm having a lot of timeline and other issues since this build. For example:

- GUI isn't loading properly on start (some black panels) unless I resize those panels.

- Timeline preview rendering start takes around 60-70 seconds, then goes at normal speed

- Timeline freezes frequently (stops updating the program monitor)

- External tools like Premiere Handy Tools and Excalibur are not working properly (very long delays of 60s+ until they apply the settings)

- Timeline often stops accepting input, I have to alt-tab away from Premiere and back again to be able to click on clips or start playback.

- Clicking a clip on the timeline does not update the data in for exampleEffect Controls. It only updates the data once I move the playhead. 

- sometimes most of the GUI stops responding to clicks unless I move the playhead or resize the corresponding panel

 

This is just off the top of my head. There's other weirdness going on, none of which I experience in the latest stable. 25.1 "just works", 25.2 currently is a master lesson in patience...

 

I'm sure it was working fine in the build before the playback bug (audio scrubbing) was introduced, because that's when Premiere beta was last working fine for me without major issues.

    37 replies

    Christian Leibig
    Inspiring
    December 19, 2024

    Any updates regarding this? I feel that I have provided a lot of info regarding where the delays come from.

    Christian Leibig
    Inspiring
    December 16, 2024

    On Build 55 right now, problem still persists.

     

    It's even worse than I thought. First I thought it was just a Lumetri triggering this, but I just added a simple text layed over the whole timeline, and that, too makes Premiere reload all files (I assume) again. Network traffic for about a minute before the program monitor shows any updates again. The delay also happens again if you undo changes to that layer. None of that activity is cached, and I'm on 128GB of RAM.

    Known Participant
    December 15, 2024

    Same issue here as well. I'm using Macbook Pro M1 MAX and MacOS 15.

    Participating Frequently
    December 13, 2024

    Same issues as @Christian Leibig here! Rolled back to 25.1 beta version!

    Participant
    December 13, 2024

    I had to revert back to using 25.1. It was unworkable with that constant delay. It's funny because for some reason I had forgotten I updated so I wasted quite a bit of time trying to decipher including deleting everything off my cache drive.

    Christian Leibig
    Inspiring
    December 13, 2024

    I have done some more testing and found a difference in behavior between 25.1 and 25.2 that causes the delays (still haven't found the cause of the GUI issues, which come and go).


    Setup:

    Timeline is a very light 3 minute edit of h264 10bit footage using ProRes proxies. Above all I have an adjustment layer with Lumetri for some global corections. Now the difference is when I change anything in that global layer.

     

    In 25.1:
    Any changes to Lumetri are fine, and Premiere keeps working as expected. No extra reads or traffic on the network.

     

    In 25.2:

    Once I change anything in Lumetri in that global layer, rendering any output to the program monitor hangs, as does rendering previews. While this is going on I can see Premiere generating 300-400Mbps of traffic over the network to the NAS. The NAS is on a 10GBit connection and is normally not the bottleneck, it can go much faster. This traffic goes on for about a minute, after which everything goes back to normal.

     

    My best guess is that touching the global layer causes Premiere to read/touch all underlaying files to update something color related. Possibly also sending off every file to the GPU to be processed.

     

    TL;DR:
    When making global changes 25.1 is quick and 25.2 causes a lot of read activity, preventing any work being done until every file has been read/processed.

    Christian Leibig
    Inspiring
    December 12, 2024

    Most of the problems vanish when I disable "Color Manage Auto Detected Log and Raw Media". Especially the delay until rendering starts is gone.

     

    Since I loaded the project in 25.1 and then back in 25.2 it seems the GUI problems on startup have vanished. Clicking on clips now updates the Effect Controls panel again. But the delays are all still present. It seems everytime Premiere needs to process a file it takes ~60s before it actually does something.

    In this timeline we're mostly talking about 10-bit h264 files with ProRes Proxies.