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P: Strange moiré patterns with high ISO images with Lens Correction

Community Beginner ,
Jun 16, 2022 Jun 16, 2022

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I was editing some events photos and started noticed a strange pattern with low light files, and with the Lens Correction feature activated. I increase the exp so you can see better the lines. ISO 6400. Check the file

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Adobe Employee , Jul 10, 2023 Jul 10, 2023

I was able to reproduce this on some RF 11-24 F4 L Images shot at ISO 12800. I've logged it with the Camera Raw team to investigate further. 

 

Do you see the pattern after AI Denoise?

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New Here ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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I am using lightroom v7.1.2

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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LightRoom Cloud?

 

Wrong forum, Catto - this is the LightRoom Classic forum.

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New Here ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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posted there as well, idk why adobe use confusing names in forum. at least product name should be lightroom cloud however it is adobe photoshope lightroom in reality.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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The names are indeed confusing. The metadata in "after.jpg" says it was generated by Lightroom 7.1.2 (Windows), which is Lightroom Desktop, part of the "Lightroom ecoystem".  Adobe never uses "Adobe Photoshop" to prefix the various names of Lightroom in these forums, even though that's what Help > About Lightroom says.

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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As expected, I see the same effect using LR Classic 13.1 and CR 16.1 with the attached .arw, using the develop settings in "after.jpg". (I extracted the Develop settings used in "after.jpg" to _DSC0041.xmp, attached).  But the pattern is clearly visible with just Exposure = 2.5 and Enable Profile Corrections:

 

johnrellis_1-1703629707334.png

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Dec 26, 2023 Dec 26, 2023

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@Rikk Flohr: Photography, consider moving to Camera Raw Bugs?

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New Here ,
Jan 09, 2024 Jan 09, 2024

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It's 2024 and I still see the issue in Lightroom 13.1. How much longer is it going to tak to fix this? 

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New Here ,
Feb 18, 2024 Feb 18, 2024

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@Rikk Flohr: Photography Yes, Pattern is visible even after AI Denoise. It's been almost a year. Adobe should fix this issue.

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Community Beginner ,
May 04, 2024 May 04, 2024

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I've seen this discussed elsewhere, but not with this particular behavior. On certain high-ISO shots, my Fuji X-T5 RAF files show a distinct warped-grid pattern that corresponds to the lens profile correction being applied. Turning off profile correction makes the grid disappear, leaving me with the lens' native distortions visible. Using manual correction makes the grid reappear.  The "enhance" function doesn't fix it. DNG files imported from Photolab or Iridient show the same effect. Sharpening or use of texture or clarity sliders makes it worse. Based on posts I've read in various forums, this issue is not unique to Lightroom's handling of Fuji files.

 

If I send the file to Photoshop, save it as a TIF, and then reopen it in Lightroom, the grid pattern is gone. This workaround is not ideal, adding yet another step and file in addition to the orginal RAF and the enhanced-details DNG. This looks like a bug to me and I'm curious if someone can explain what's going on.

 

I've attached two screenshots, using ALT+Mask to emphasize the pattern. The first is the RAF file viewed in Lightroom. The second is the same file after being returned from Photoshop as a TIF.

 

Latest versions of both programs on Windows 11.

x-t5.jpgx-t5 TIF.jpg

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May 05, 2024 May 05, 2024

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After a little further experimentation, it doesn't seem like there's a way to completely eliminate this pattern without disabling lens profile corrections,  but it is possible to reduce it to the point where it's nearly invisible, short of the most extreme manipulations. Aside from opening the file in Photoshop and sending back as a TIF, both the Iridient plug-in (for X-Trans files) and DXO Photolab do a far better job of applying their built-in corrections without the warped grid being obvious. Just remember (as I did not initially) to turn off profile corrections in Lightroom, or you'll get that on top of the corrections already applied. When sharpening, turning down the details slider and turning up radius and masking also helps.

 

The culprit here is clearly Camera Raw and the way it's implementing the Adobe lens profiles.

 

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