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November 5, 2024
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This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos.

Note:

~~The feature currently only works on raw photos.~~ Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release.

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post.

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature:

Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate).

Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox.

Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing.

Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

When using the slider, the key values to note are:

0 – the input photo

100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo

-100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera)

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future.

Example use-cases for the feature include:

Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.)

Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows)

Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.)

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions:

Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
- The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
- If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

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Correct answer Conrad_C

This reply, earlier in this thread, explains why:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/p-reflection-removal-feedback-cr-amp-lrclassic/m-p/15405349#M28971

Also, it isn’t called “glare reduction.”

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Alpaca Camera

Participating Frequently

Using latest Photoshop on a M1 MacBookPro. Open a Leica DNG image in PS then as a smart object in Camera Raw 17.1 with technology improvements activated. It keeps the Reflection removal greyed out (Yes, I did restart PS after checking "tech improvements". Used DNG from 2 different cameras (M10 and SL) with same result. The DNG were straight from camera with no adjustments.

youthful_Dazzle0D45

Inspiring

I just had the same issues, I found that if I opened the image in PS, and did not send it straight from LR, it worked. See my earlier post, and also...see Concrad C post above: re: Develop module choose Photo > Edit In > Open as Smart Object in Photoshop. ALthough, this did not work for me in PS or PS beta.

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Shayne001

Participant

The tool didnt work at all for me. I had taken photos of the front of a jewlry store and there was significant reflection in all of the windows and it didnt remove anything at all. If you move the slider all of the way to zero the image just goes 100% black. In the video I watched, the samples used were of glass panels that filled the entire photo frame. My photo was taken at an angle of the storefront and there were 4 big glass panels across the front but it also had other exterior materials like the metal glass frame and brick. See jpg of image used

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This result is expected because your photo is of distant windows that do not cover the field-of-view (and so they do not block your view of the subject). In the future, we are planning to handle cases like the one you've tested. You can read our blog post to better understand the situations that are handled the product today.

patrikl

Participating Frequently

Impressive technology. Thank you for this.

I notice a slight color shift using the tool. Not huge, but in professional use it can be be too much of a change.

To look into in the development hopefully.

Again, thanks.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thank you for sharing. We have noted this case.

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Mark Wycherley

Participating Frequently

Love for this to be able to remove building or cloud reflections in cityscapes. So where one glass-surfaced building shows the other buildings around in reflection, or else where it is reflecting clouds from the sky.

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bmoag

Known Participant

My ongoing experience in systems with AMD and nVidia discrete GPUS, Windows 11 and x86 macOS:

The Win system with a discrete AMD GPU crashes inside the converter more than half the time, occasionally with the converter image pane showing digital hash. The changes are not applied to the Bridge thumbnail when crashing.

X86 macOS with its AMD GPU crashes inside the converter but less often than Windows. Changes not applied to the thumbnail in Bridge with the crash.

The nVidia system , also Win 11, crashes almost always opening the image onto the Photoshop desktop (total PS freeze, have to close PS with Task Manager). Like every time for the last dozen attempts I made just before writing this. However the changes are applied to the thumbnail of the raw image in Bridge.

When I can actually see the results from reflection removal they are fair/not bad to didn't do much at all to the reflections or missed a chunk of the reflections. Simple reflections are, not surprisingly, the best handled.

I only post this because these crashes are constant and annoyingly repeatable now for me on three computers with two different operating systems.

I admire greatly what Adobe has done with Generative AI in Photoshop (not so much the responses to written prompts) and Reflection removal could salvage some snaps that would be helpful. As of now, for me, reflection removal is not only hit or miss results but unstable to the point of unusable.

hajfimannen

Participant

Unfortunately I was not able to check the box in Camera Raw 17.1 with an .ARW file.

A raw file taken with my Sony A7IV. The check box was greyed out.

But when I converted the ARW to a DNG, then I could check the box again.

What coult be the cause? I am running Mac OS 15.1.1.Sequoia on a Macbook Pro with Intel Core i5 (2020).

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grjas2

Participating Frequently

I found the results somewhat disappointing. First as others have noted, the RAW file has to be dropped into PS directly, not through LR or it doesn't register as a Raw file. I tried the feature on a number of photos from a recent Swiss train trip and found may be 1 in 4 photos improved, and some substantially worsened. Using the GenAI fill tool was faster and provided more consistent results, as well as providing the normal 3 options.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please consider sharing the images for which the results have not been as expected so we can improve the product.

youthful_Dazzle0D45

Inspiring

I tried this on a few images...I found that if I send an image straight from LR it will not work. I have to open the image in PS and then the raw filter works....and rather nice at that!

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Russ25557520koyn

Participant

It doesn't appear to work on FUJIFILM RAW files, at least not at this point. Is that the case?

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miguel_angel_6973

Participating Frequently

Es lo que comentaba yo más arriba.

Pero no se ha contestado nada sobre ello.

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Philrob57

Participating Frequently

Works on obvious reflections on my raw images (ORF) I have tried several from a recent shoot in London from the sky garden, but it does leave some more subtle or not as strong reflections, it may be nice to have a refine step to add any areas that have been missed to include the removal on these areas rather than just rely on the global AI alogrithm, also som artefacts ar left on removal in detail backgrounds.

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jjod

Participating Frequently

Not working on my ORF files either. I just get a yellow triangular box with an exclamation poit (attached). Cannot not find any explanation on Adobe's site for this.

David Franzen at Work

Adobe Employee

Can you provide a sample ORF file? The feature should not be disabled for 3-color raw files. 1-color (monochrome) and 4-color raw files are not supported.

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