quiz: next vs. submit button

[boatin22]

Hi,

I've created a number of modules in captivate (ver 8) using the default quiz slides.  Many people are hitting the 'next' button, without hitting the 'submit' button.  This "works" until they get to the last page, and then the module freezes.  Is there a way to hide the 'next' button until 'submit' is clicked?  I feel there must be, but when I've monkeyed with the quiz pages in teh past, I seem to break things. 

Any advice would be appreciated.

thanks,

Carl

[Lilybiri · Accepted solution]

I know this is confusing, and have been blogging about the design and tweaking  possibility. Look at Question Question Slides in Captivate - Captivate blog

If you need Review, you have to leave the Next button because you'll need it during Review. During the Quiz it doubles as Skip button, and that is the problem.

The easiest workaround is to drag the Next button under the Clear button. During Review the Clear button disappears and Next button becomes visible. Be careful: maybe in my blog I still refer to the Skip button, because that was the label of the Next button in older versions.

You do not need the Next button at all during quiz, the Submit button is triggering the two-step Submitting process, where the second step is to click on the slide or to press Y.

[anastasiam]

The easiest way would be to drag the Next button underneath the Clear button (assuming you have it on screen) so it's just not an option for the user.  You'd have to do this on each slide.

There are a lot of ways to set up those quiz slides.  There is already a similar discussion about this here on the forums that might help you further.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1292224?q=next%20submit

[boatin22]

Thank you for your replies, good timing there. 

I have dragged the next button under the clear, but now my quiz doesn't quite function.  If I select the correct answer, the feedback box comes up and clicking anywhere takes me to the next slide.  All is good.  But if I select the wrong answer, I get the feedback box (twice, because I'm allowing 3 tries on this), and with the third try, the red box with the correct answer. It vanishes if I click somewhere, but it doesn't advance the to the next slide.  Any ideas?

thanks,

Carl

(If I put the correct answer in (after all the fails), and then click 'submit' again, and THEN click anywhere, it moves to the next slide)(AND it makes the question correct)

[boatin22]

and I deactivated the 'back' button in quiz preferences, if that's relevant.

[Lilybiri]

Check the actions in the Quiz Properties: what is the action for Last Attempt? Did you read the blog post for which I posted a link?

You have 3 Failure attempts and 3 different feedback (captions or shapes). That is OK.

Did you perhaps mess up with something else on the question slides? Especially all embedded objects, those are the objects that have no separate timeline, like the Title, Question and buttons have to be treated carefully. Deactivating Backwards navigation, and having the Back buttons deleted using the Quiz Preferences is fine as well.

[boatin22]

Thank you very much for your engagement here - I really appreciate it.

I've included two (maybe) relevant images.  Should the action perhaps be "go to next slide"?  I don't see anything in the quiz properties that is labeled "last attempt".  Could/should I remove the check box by "next"?  I know you said things mysteriously come back, but not sure if that was from deleted on the page vs using the properties. 

I have been reading your blog post, and I think I follow most of what it's saying.  Putting the next button under the clear button made sense to me, right up until it didn't work.    I also don't think I've mucked around with the embedded objects - early on I did a bunch of that and realized I was messing everything up.  So I threw all that away, and started with a clean template - only changing sizes and colors of things.  Is there a way to check on that?

[boatin22]

upon further testing, the T/F questions operate as expected.  It's only the multiple choice questions that won't move forward until I put the correct answer in.  And once I correct it, it gives me credit for being correct.  (which is fine in this case - i don't care about a score, I just wish I understood what was happening).

[Lilybiri]

You have infinite attempts on that question, not 3 as you wrote in your initial question. That means that the user will only be able to advance to the next question when his answer is correct. That is also clearly explained in the blog post, if I remember well. You are confused by the 'Failure Messages', which are set to 3 and the attempts. In your case the third Failure message will appear infinitely until the answer is correct.

[RodWard]

Check the number of attempts allowed on the Multi-Choice questions again.  It sounds like you must have Infinite attempts selected for those questions.  When you say you have allowed three attempts, are you talking about the settings on each individual quiz slide, or just the overall quiz?  These "attempts" are not the same thing.  It's possible to have one slide set up for a single attempt, another for three attempts, another for infinite attempts, and the overall quiz to have a totally different number as well.

[boatin22]

ahhh, now I understand.  And, in the way of these things, now that I understand it seems so clear.  I was, indeed, confused by the difference between the attempts and the failure messages.  Thanks for the multiple explanations, the blog post didn't penetrate.

thx again!

[Lilybiri]

OK, in Flanders we would say 'If end is good, everything is good'. It took a while, but you figured it out. Think I have to write that Quizzing book.

[anastasiam]

Yes, you should! 

[Lilybiri]

Started with a cookbook about actions (both advanced/shared), have a lot of stuff to clean up. I want it to be useful both for newbies (with step-by-step recipes) and for more advanced cooks by giving in-depth explanations of my logic and work flows. Even if no one will buy it, just fun to write.

[rainerm19316293]

i will buy it.

Rainer

[boatin22]

me too!