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Hardware calibrated monitor

  • February 21, 2023
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I have a BenQ SW270c which is a hardware calibrated monitor: this means the calibration software (Master Palette Element or MPE) is not running in background in Windows 11: it is just used to create the calibration profile to be stored in the monitor  itself.

 

If I set 3: Native (or 1: aRGB) my photos in Lightroom (and in any other color managed software: Photoshop, Chrome, Microsoft Photo, Fast Raw Viewer) look correct WHILE all Windows GUI elements (i.e. icons), the photos' thumbnails in file explorer, Office etc (that is all non color managed software) look overly contrasted.

 

If I set 2: sRGB the non color managed software look good BUT my photos in Lightroom look flat, with strange colors.

 

Am I doing something wrong?

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    최고의 답변: D Fosse

    What is the purpose of having a hw calibrated monitor with easy buttons to change from native to sRGB if then I have to create (how?) corresponding ICC profiles to be swapped manually in Windows every time I move from one calibration to another on the monitor?

     

    When I was using my old monitor, I was using the a calibration SW that was always running in background: I would calibrate for native and sRGB, it would create two ICC profiles and the SW running in background would allow me to choose which ICC profile to use.

     

    A hw calibrated monitor works differently: there are no more as many ICC profiles created for Windows as the calibrations stored in the monitor, and the calibration SW is not running in background. You can create one or max three calibrations in the monitor but on Windows the SW creates only one ICC profile named benqsw270c.icc loaded into Windows. Full stop. You cannot even change it as it's the only option. And since I change calibration modes from the monitor, and the calibration SW is not running in background, there is no way for the monitor to tell windows to change to another ICC profile, also because (let me repeat) there is one and only one ICC profile created by the calibration SW.


    I don't know the BenQ software, but this sounds strange. It has to be able to switch calibration target and load the corresponding profile in Windows. That's a core function.

     

    In Eizo Colornavigator you can do it in the main software interface - but there is also a separate component that loads in the Windows system tray, where you do that.

     

    Look for something similar in the BenQ software. I've also used NEC Spectraview II, where (IIRC) there was a standalone utility packaged with the software, that did the same thing and worked the same way.

     

    Note that you still have to relaunch color managed applications to load the new profile. This is how all color managed software works, that's nothing special for Adobe applications.

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    March 6, 2023

    @Giovanni Stoto 

    quoting D.Fosse: "By all accounts, BenQ has raised their standards and are making good monitors now. But their software still has serious problems: https://community.adobe.com/t5/color-management-discussions/hardware-calibrated-monitor/td-p/1359696... 

    so the hardware calibration is unlikely to perform well it seems

    I hope this helps
    neil barstow, colourmanagement net - adobe forum volunteer - co-author: 'getting colour right'
    google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management

    D Fosse
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    February 21, 2023

    This is simpler than you think.

     

    You can run your monitor in native gamut, or in sRGB emulation. In both cases you need a profile that describes that behavior, and that profile needs to be set in Windows. Whenever the monitor's characteristics change, you need to switch to the corresponding profile.

     

    At all times, the profile needs to be an accurate description of the monitor's actual and current behavior. The monitor profile is a map, and it has to correspond to the actual terrain.

     

    When using non-color managed software, you can set the monitor to sRGB emulation (or, if for non-critical use, just accept the oversaturation). In that case the profile doesn't matter, the application will ignore it in any case.

     

    In all color managed applications, set the monitor to native. Then you need to switch to that profile - but here's what's been tripping you up: you also need to relaunch the application (like Lightroom). All color managed applications load the monitor profile at application startup, and that profile will be used for the duration of that session, until next relaunch.

     

    So when you switch profile, you need to relaunch the application to pick up the new profile.

    Bob_Hallam
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    February 21, 2023

    hardware calibrated monitor make their own profiles

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    D Fosse
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    February 22, 2023

    No, they don't. They make their own calibration, not the same thing. The profile is still based on external measurement.

     

    As far as the profile is concerned, there is no functional difference between a "hardware calibrated" monitor and a "traditional" one (where the calibration is done in the video card). The profile doesn't know and doesn't care. The profile is just a description of how the monitor actually behaves, irrespective of how that behavior is produced.

     

    The profile doesn't do anything. It's just a map.

     

    What has blurred the distinction for many, is that in hardware calibrated units, the calibration can work over a broader range of parameters, such as directly change the position of the primaries and thus gamut. You can't do that in the video card. But that's still calibration (changing monitor behavior), not monitor profile (mapping and describing that behavior).

     

    Getting back to the OP, there are two issues:

    • he's not using the correct profile for the monitor's actual behavior, and/or
    • he hasn't relaunched the application so that it can load the new and correct profile

     

    That will fix his problem.

    Bob_Hallam
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    February 21, 2023

    If your assuming that non-color managed sections of your OS should look better, or different, I'd say that's not something to worry about.  If their not color managed, don't list them in your problem statement.  Color management works in color managed areas.  

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
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    February 21, 2023

    Yes correct yet... I use the same PC for editing and for work, and when using Office my eyes really suffer with those very contrasty colors 🫣😬😆

    Bob_Hallam
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    February 21, 2023

    Lol! Yes I guess that would cause me some issue too.  Hopefully V2 will work.  Otherwise you can download a trial version of ColorThink Pro   Then use the Medic section and see of your software is providing good profiles or not.  You may need to reinstall your software or update it.  

    ICC programmer and developer, Photographer, artist and color management expert, Print standards and process expert.
    TheDigitalDog
    Inspiring
    February 21, 2023

    Everything in Lightroom should look fine.

    Are you making V4 spec display profiles? Try V2 instead. 

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    February 21, 2023

    I think I'm using V4... Interesting... Will try with V2.

     

    By the way, I have noticed that MPE creates, regardless on the monitor calibration setting, a generic sw270c.icc profile loaded into Windows setting, that I cannot even change as it's the only option: I guess this is a flat profile allowing windows to send out to the monitor a flat signal then converted according to the profile option chosen on the monitor.