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Thank you, Paula. The product team posted this info some time ago Message from the Dreamweaver Product team , and while I understand that this does not directly speak to the kinds of users, it is pretty much in line with what we have seen in DW updates so far and the direction it is headed. During my discussions with the team at MAX, I did not hear of anything that isn't already addressed in this post.
In my opinion, these improvements still stay true to the promise of helping designers that want
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osgood_ wrote
ALsp wrote
You are truly dangerous, pal. Allow me to quote the self-serving lie:
Osgood said: "All lm try to establish is why you think coding is so bad and yet are hugely proud and continuosly gloat about how splendid you are it, that's what l term as a split personality"
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You attempt to portray me as saying that coding skills are unimportant. That is untrue, which essentially means you lied in an attempt to support your argument. It's very obvious.
Well you certainly stated the below in post 100, which sounded to me as though you thought coding was not that relevant?
'Your obsession with coding is, I believe a bit over the top, and perhaps not relevant to today's extensions, and this is where I disagree with your opinions.'
I thought the argurements and points I was making against using extensions was very relevant simply because I'm seeing more and more posters that use extensions/fameworks etc that can't solve a simple html coding problem, possibly as a result of too much reliance and dependancy on such products or workflows.
Plus can you qualify and produce the evidence where in this debate I am supposed to have singled out your extensions, which you seem to now be trying to avoid.
I like the use of the word pal and dangerous in your reply. its rather funny and entertaining. Youre certainly bothered by something and I dont think its just me. Perhaps things arent going so well at the moment if youre worrying about fickle things like who and who is not liking your posts. Never seen you quite so ruffled and incoherent.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Your obsession with coding, as it relates to Dreamweaver users, is obsessive, and that obsession led you to make a completely ridiculous assumption. What I meant is that coding knowledge makes our modern extensions even more powerful, as each one contains the ability to assign user-defined classes with which to drive user-defined style sheets. But you wouldn't know that, because you have been talking about extensions that you have never even used, or perhaps you believe that all extensions are the same as the ones you have used in the past.
I never said you have singled out our extensions. You are obviously against all extensions.
I am bothered by you. You, pal, bother me 
. But that's a human response and, in light of what you have written, and continue to write, you really ought not be surprised, unless, this is another facet of being from your particular part of the UK (Paula's theory, not mine).
There is a psychological term for the behavior evidenced in your last paragraph. It escapes me, and I've no time to research it, but there is a clinical name for it. Obviously, you relish the idea of ruffling me and waiting for an incoherent or reactive comment. Sorry to disappoint, but it seems that in trying to get under my skin, you've gotten under your own... or at least fooled yourself into showing your true colors.
Game, set, and freaking match 
LOL. You're like the little Energizer Bunny 
You're making up stuff again. I really don't mean to sound as if I'm insulting you personally, but when someone distorts what you've said or written, or outright fibs about it... well, a guy has to do what a guy has to do. I really wish you could just see that the only thing we disagree about is the usefulness of extensions... even to [gasp] coders. I rarely post on this forum. You live here. In my view, it obviously disturbs you when people disagree with you. So, back atcha. And I don't fancy myself a phycologist (sic). If I were good at it, I probably could have cut the legs out from under your silly arguments a long time ago 
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So, to summarize...
1. We both value that coding is something that all web designers should endeavor to learn.
2. I never said that the ability to code is unimportant.
3. Our extensions are useful to both non-coders and coders.
I have no problem with you not liking to use extensions yourself. My problem is that when you evangelize against using extensions, without even knowing how ours work, you are being closed-minded and, at least to me, a bit mischievous.
I really hope that someday your views will at least soften and that you might at least take the time to learn what we do so that you at least know what you are speaking out against...and how they actually work.
That sounds pretty fair to me.
osgood_ wrote
ALsp wrote
OSGOOD SAID:
I guess you never said the below then, that must have been your alta-ego (sic), funny that! Did I mention split personality, I think I did.
I REPLIED:
"I think it's obvious that your insinuations about this customer of ours you helped lacks clarity and was intended to shade your opinions about extensions, ours in particular"
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Of course I wrote that, and I meant it. If you put the whole discussion in a quote, it would make perfect sense. You could have simply answered at the time, by citing a URL to the actual post where you helped this non-coder customer of ours.
Simple, no?
Its not the initial part of the string, its the part below, in bold, which, I think anyway, accuses me of singling out your extenisons in particular, which I have not done and would never do.
'intended to shade your opinions about extensions, ours in particular'
I was saying it just so happened that a poster came to the forum, whilst this debate was in full swing, with a very small coding issue. I happened to notice that they were using an extension which happened to be one of yours, it could have been anyones. It was probably just unfortunate it was one or yours. Although the problem was not related to the extension, which I confirmed, I was questioning if the poster and many like them were relying too heavily on extensions and neglecting the necessity to learn at least some basic html and maybe some basic css.
That is all, I dont think I was being mischievous as you put it.
It's the aggregate, Osgood. You are mischievous, and in most settings it could be one of your endearing features, but sometimes there are better ways to convey a message. That said, helping someone who either has not yet learned enough coding to help themselves, doesn't have the time to, or simply is unable to pick up the necessary skills is not a bad thing. It's kind of a nice thing, a neighborly thing.
But you cite what is very likely an anomalous situation to point out that people should not depend on extensions (anyone's yes, but in response to me: an extension developer 
). You still fail to allow that certain extensions can be powerful tools for code-savvy designers, too. And this is the attitude, especially when you inject it into threads that I am involved in, that is simply not nice. You don't know enough about our advanced tools to imply that they cannot be valuable to a coder. You're like the kid you hates peas, but has never actually tried them. And don't say you have, because you are not one of our current customers and any extension of ours you may have tried would be very old.
ALsp wrote
It's the aggregate, Osgood. You are mischievous, and in most settings it could be one of your endearing features, but sometimes there are better ways to convey a message.
I think you just mis-interpreted the message, perhaps as a result of cultural language differences, as has already been pointed out. Im not in any doubt there are some excellent extensions available. Its not the quality that concerns me. Its rather like do we think the use of calculators in schools is directly attributing to the degrading amounts of young people that are able to perform some simple mental arithmatic without aids, the answer I think must be, yes. The more automation we use the less skilled we become.
ALsp wrote
But you cite what is very likely an anomalous situation to point out that people should not depend on extensions (anyone's yes, but in response to me: an extension developer ). You still fail to allow that certain extensions can be powerful tools for code-savvy designers, too. And this is the attitude, especially when you inject it into threads that I am involved in, that is simply not nice. You don't know enough about our advanced tools to imply that they cannot be valuable to a coder. You're like the kid you hates peas, but has never actually tried them. And don't say you have, because you are not one of our current customers and any extension of ours you may have tried would be very old.
No, No, No. I'm just makng people aware of the consequences that may result which is very different to what you are implying. I let those people make up their own minds. Most are bright enough to do so. It's not always about you as you keep wanting to inject into the posts for some reason beyond my comprehension.
But you have to accept I do not share your opinions so I will be injecting it into threads beacuse that is my opnion. When, or if I should say you understand and learn to accept other peoples views and opinions you wont find it so personal, I won't hold my breathe though
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