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Too bad Wappler is a subscription model.
By @jdcallow
Is subscription based software that offensive. I can see the downside if you don't use the software that frequently but if it's something you use regularly then isn't it worth it. A flow of money to the software developer provides an incentive to keep actively improving the product. Surely the subscription cost can be offset by adding a few pounds to each clients project........... there is a downside to subscription software and that is if youre not making any money from using it..............hummm.
Of course consideration should be given to customers in countries where salaries are not as great.......so they are not discluded.
"Is subscription software that offensive" is that a rather aggressive way way to interpret my comment?
I prefer to pay for upgrades as I need or want them. The developers still get paid when the upgrade is useful or meets my needs/desires and I can better control my work environemnt and budget.
By @jdcallow
Fair comment.........I just get somewhat confused when a seemingly large majority feel a few hundred a year for software which benefits them is too much. I get it if your company is not doing too well financially or you're just a fun player...................there seems to be rather a lot of users in those categories I guess.
It probably takes two to tango, the software company needs to offer something of value for the continued subscription, ie continued development, if it doesn't then I also get it may not be a suitable option.
I am neither financially stressed nor am I a fun player (what ever that is).
By @jdcallow
Never said you was. I said I can understand not wanting to commit to a subscription based model if that was the case or if you only participated in web-development infrequently - a fun player.
I am someone who doesn't believe paying a subscription is a smart business expense unless I need to stay up to date with the latest version and or I have no option (adobe).
By @jdcallow
Well maybe its a bonus not everyone thinks alike and that some ARE willing to pay for progress and continued developement which obvioulsy costs money and benefits those that don't (you) when and if they consider jumping onboard and contributing towards that development.
You not getting that and completely missing arguably the more important point that subscriptions can mess with your dev environment leads me to wonder if you just play as a developer on forums.
By @jdcallow
I'm playing now because I've been there, seen it and done it and can afford to! Seems you're taking things way too personally.
This streamlined approach allows you to focus on building and designing your projects without the hassle of managing external server setups."
By @BenPleysier
It's only a one time set up to install a local server environment like mamp or xampp etc, after that you're good to go........not sure it's that streamlined.
If youre using node then it's only a couple of lines of code to spin up a local server environment.
Wappler should be included as an alternative because its an option but its a niche option as it has its own unique workflow, if you dont mind taking that route.
It's only a one time set up to install a local server environment like mamp or xampp etc, after that you're good to go........not sure it's that streamlined.
By @osgood_
Correct, yet is not needed when using Wappler. In your eyes, this is not a feature?
It is not just that, there are many other aspects like automatic creation of a .htaccess file for routing and the creation of single page apps (SPA) the proper way where pages are pulled into the layout page. I could go on and on talking about streamlined. Just remove the blinkers and you shall see.
If youre using node then it's only a couple of lines of code to spin up a local server environment.
By @osgood_
The couple of code lines will give you a local server environment, correct. But what about a debug mode, site security, routes, cron jobs, sockets, uploads, cors, sessions, etc. What about the likes of Express and its middleware? Is this simple? when making statements, please elaborate so that everyone will know the extent of your knowledge bank.
Wappler should be included as an alternative because its an option but its a niche option as it has its own unique workflow, if you dont mind taking that route.
By @osgood_
A niche that has been lacking in all other IDE's.
There is no other IDE that can create a modest dynamically driven web site visually without ever looking at or touching the code. True, Pinegrow can do the same for just the front-end, but needs the likes of WordPress to create a dynamic site.
Correct, yet is not needed when using Wappler. In your eyes, this is not a feature?
It is not just that, there are many other aspects like automatic creation of a .htaccess file for routing and the creation of single page apps (SPA) the proper way where pages are pulled into the layout page. I could go on and on talking about streamlined. Just remove the blinkers and you shall see.
By @BenPleysier
As features go I would not say it was a deal breaker................like I said a server environemt is just a one time set up. Currently all-in-one packages make a local server easy to install. Sure, if you're trying to manually install php/sql (insert your choice here) etc on your machine, it could be a useful feature.
Blinkers......................right and Wappler users eyes are wide open. Far from it that is why they resort to using a solution such as Wappler. Apart from clicking and draging around most probably dont have a clue what they are doing because they live in a very 'sheltered' environment.
The couple of code lines will give you a local server environment, correct. But what about a debug mode, site security, routes, cron jobs, sockets, uploads, cors, sessions, etc. What about the likes of Express and its middleware? Is this simple? when making statements, please elaborate so that everyone will know the extent of your knowledge bank.
By @BenPleysier
It's called being professional. You should know how to bring in middleware without the aid of relying on a program. Do you actually know how to get a node website up and running without Wappler, create routes, designate a templating engine etc, etc? I guess the extent of your knowledge bank is everything Wappler, which moves in mysterious ways, so how useful is that when considering the bigger picture.
A niche that has been lacking in all other IDE's.
There is no other IDE that can create a modest dynamically driven web site visually without ever looking at or touching the code. True, Pinegrow can do the same for just the front-end, but needs the likes of WordPress to create a dynamic site.
By @BenPleysier
If it used one of the big 3 frontend js frameworks then I think your argument would hold more water. As it stands it appeals to a very niche market...........5 years on and it's still relatively unheard of in main steam web development circles.
what makes VS Code suitable?
By @BenPleysier
Probably just because the bracket extension has been ported under VSC https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=yamato-ltd.vscode-aem-sync
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