Impossible to manage code with Dreamweaver. Just a communication.

[francescotacconi]

Hi,

I'm building a new site and I'm making it with Bloc application.

You can see here Home  what I made up till now, it's incomplete, I'm just at the beginning and showing to the customer different layouts in the same page to make easier his choices.

In order to customize the pre made Blocs code I tried to open the site with Dreamweaver, but Dreamweaver just freezes and stop working immediately.

So I bought Coda and installed, with Coda the site is very quick and fast to manage, this page opens immediately and every css or html change appears immediately in the preview window.

I've seen in the past that even when building sites from scratch with Dreamweaver the app is slow and heavy for the OS. I'm sorry but I've been very surprised by Coda and I find it amazing.

I won't stop my CC subscription but I hope to hear very soon some good news that fix the Dreamweaver heavy slowness.

Best regards.

Francesco

PS. I'm working on an iMac late 2014, 4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB MHz DDR3 ram on Mac OsX 10.12.3

[pziecina]

As this is a user to user forum, it would be better if you posted your observations as a bug -

https://dreamweaver.uservoice.com/

[francescotacconi]

That's quite funny, I searched a lot for the official Dreamweaver forum and I landed in the user to user. Maybe it's me, maybe not. Anyway thank you very much indeed.

[pziecina]

It's not you.

I know of 4 different ways to post feedback about Dw at the moment, and getting a reply from any of them, is slower than sending a letter to Mars, and waiting for a reply.

[francescotacconi]

I've been loving Adobe software for many and many years, and I'm still trying to love it, but many new things are happening outside the Adobe empire in order to work in a way more efficient, quick and productive.

Thank you Pziecina.

[francescotacconi]

I tried 3 times to post what happens to me as a bug, it's quite difficult indeed, and at last they accepted my post as an Idea. Amazing. Many things are working bad in Adobe.

[pziecina]

francescotacconi  wrote

...and at last they accepted my post as an Idea.

Maybe that the latest way of fixing problems.

If it's an idea, then it was not a bug

[francescotacconi]

@piezcina Maybe that the latest way of fixing problems.

If it's an idea, then it was not a bug

LOL !

[osgood_]

Problem with Coda is I think it is 'dead' software. Panic have not updated it in some time and there seems to be no forward guidance as to what it's long term future is. It still uses the old webkit browser engine for live view which doesn't support Flex. Plugins are old and a not up-to-date as the web moves forward fast.

Disappointing really as Coda has the basis of being a really nice OS application BUT I think Brackets and Atom has possibly killed it off or at least making the sofwtare company re-think its road map.

[francescotacconi]

Thank you a lot Osgood, your informations are really precious to me, I don't know nor Brackets neither Atom, but now I'm gonna look for them. In your opinion wich one is better than the other?

Thank you again

[osgood_]

francescotacconi  wrote

Thank you a lot Osgood, your informations are really precious to me, I don't know nor Brackets neither Atom, but now I'm gonna look for them. In your opinion wich one is better than the other?

Thank you again

Coda is a nice application so dont let me stop you from continuing to use it. It might be all you need for the foreseeable future and Panic may well bring out v3. Personally I'm just concerned that it is falling behind other website code editors, because of lack of ongoing devlopment, if that is a concern for you. I have Coda but dont use it  because I dont want to waste my time using something which is not keeping up with the basic trends and no one at Panic seems to be coming out and saying what the future holds.

All code editors are really very much the same, give or take a few things. What one has the other lacks. I'm not using either Brackets or Atom but have tried both recently. Brackets is what is in the new version of DW but Brackets may well work better as it is lightweight and has the real time preview window, which Atom doesnt, you have to install a plugin. Given the option to use one or the other at this point I'd probably choose Brackets, it just seems faster and less complex.

Both are free so you can trial them at your leisure, no time restrictions.

[francescotacconi]

You are very very helpful to me, and in effect I've already tested both Atom and Brackets and I'd choose this second one, as you imagined. I just wonder, if in Brackets there is the possibility to visualize the tree of media query, div, and other css elements in order to work quickly in the right section of the document. I send to you an image because I don't know if I've been very clear.

[osgood_]

francescotacconi  wrote

You are very very helpful to me, and in effect I've already tested both Atom and Brackets and I'd choose this second one, as you imagined. I just wonder, if in Brackets there is the possibility to visualize the tree of media query, div, and other css elements in order to work quickly in the right section of the document. I send to you an image because I don't know if I've been very clear.

No, there is no visual help in Brackets, not even a Dom/Structure panel, unfortuantely. Brackets and Atom are really very simple code editors for coders mainly.

[francescotacconi]

Thank you Osgood, you saved my time and avoid me to look for nothing.

Anyway I don't think I'll stop using Dreamweaver, but I wonder what you use. No Coda, no Brackets, no Atom, uhm, so, can you tell me your secret app?

[osgood_]

francescotacconi  wrote

Thank you Osgood, you saved my time and avoid me to look for nothing.

Anyway I don't think I'll stop using Dreamweaver, but I wonder what you use. No Coda, no Brackets, no Atom, uhm, so, can you tell me your secret app?

I use 'php storm' BUT don't go there, its a heavy IDE for serious coders. Most of my websites are php/mysql database driven so 'php storm' fits in well with my workflow as it has mysql management right inside the coding environment but its slightly slower than any of the other editors I mentioned and is a huge, huge memory hog. But once its up and running I dont notice a great deal of difference and the advantages outweigh the disadvantages for me personally.

I'll probably be back with DW at some stage as I do like the visual environemnt to use for quick navigating around the code, which in a code only editor can be frustrating and time consuming. DW does a pretty good job compared to all the other editors I've tested. They all suffer some kind of failure, certainly none are perfect.

[francescotacconi]

Thank you again Osgood

I'd probably use only Dreamweaver if only it was lighter and let me manage all sort of code without slowing or freezing.

I hope that in the future Adobe wil fix this issue, I think that the problem is all in the live view that now is always working and in my case is not able to manage 2 background movies at once.

Bye and thank you, you have been very kind.

[osgood_]

francescotacconi  wrote

Bye and thank you, you have been very kind.

No problem. By the way I downloaded all of your code and tested it in DW CC 2015 and it has no problems, works fine. Plus I have a Mac which has a substantially lower spec than yours.

[francescotacconi]

Hey, wonderful, yes it's true, but in this particular case the Coda interface lets me fix the code better than the Dreamweaver one, and above all, it's exactly the visual map that I posted here that allows me to find easily the breakpoints to correct the css rules for a correct responsive design. With Coda when I click on the media query I can see all the relative code.

But your information will be very very useful for another site, that I built with Mobirise (please don't collapse!!!) next time I'll have to update it.

It's anyway weird that an older version of Dreamweaver works better than the new one. And in fact in the CC 2015 the live view doesn't operate all the time.

When I install a new version of Adobe CC I never unistall the older ones, but I didn't think to what you suggest me here.

So, thanks again

[osgood_]

francescotacconi  wrote

Hey, wonderful, yes it's true, but in this particular case the Coda interface lets me fix the code better than the Dreamweaver one, and above all, it's exactly the visual map that I posted here that allows me to find easily the breakpoints to correct the css rules for a correct responsive design. With Coda when I click on the media query I can see all the relative code.

Yes, Coda is an excellent bit of software. I only hope the producers of it will see its worth and continue to develop it more in line with what is happening now rather than 2 years back. Since then some bug fixes have been released and a few minor upgraded but nothing worth shouting about. The only reason why I don't use it is because there has been no word of what to expect from the developers, which I think is a major problem if you want to keep current customers onboard.

francescotacconi  wrote

It's anyway weird that an older version of Dreamweaver works better than the new one. And in fact in the CC 2015 the live view doesn't operate all the time.

When I install a new version of Adobe CC I never unistall the older ones, but I didn't think to what you suggest me here.

So, thanks again

I've not even tried the newest version of DW as yet. I'll save that for a rainy day.

[francescotacconi]

LOL

[Jon Fritz]

osgood_  wrote

francescotacconi   wrote

Thank you a lot Osgood, your informations are really precious to me, I don't know nor Brackets neither Atom, but now I'm gonna look for them. In your opinion wich one is better than the other?

Thank you again

Coda is a nice application so dont let me stop you from continuing to use it. It might be all you need for the foreseeable future and Panic may well bring out v3. ..

For what it's worth, version 2.6 was just released on December 5th 2016 and the iOS version was last updated in September of 2016, so they're still working on it anyway.

[osgood_]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Jon+Fritz+II  wrote

osgood_   wrote

francescotacconi    wrote

Thank you a lot Osgood, your informations are really precious to me, I don't know nor Brackets neither Atom, but now I'm gonna look for them. In your opinion wich one is better than the other?

Thank you again

Coda is a nice application so dont let me stop you from continuing to use it. It might be all you need for the foreseeable future and Panic may well bring out v3. ..

For what it's worth, version 2.6 was just released on December 5th 2016 and the iOS version was last updated in September of 2016, so they're still working on it anyway.

It was a minor update to 2.5, there was a lot of unrest by those using 2.5. Many abandoned Coda for Brackets or Atom. I'd like to think that its going to get a major update at some point this year to bring it back in competion with what competitors are offering but I'm wondering if they have abandoned it because there are so many editors out there, including a lot of free editors which are at the moment better in my opinion. Obviously only producing sofware for Mac is a niche market, the community is much smaller, a lot less plugins are available than for editors which work x-platform, which could be a killer unless a bit of software has something exceptional to offer like php storm.

[francescotacconi]

.ehm

{ anybody knows something

   about the tree

    I posted in the picture

     in Brackets? }