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jQuery is JavaScript. t's just a large file that allows non-programmers to use and reuse various generic functions. If you know how to write JavaScript then you simply decide if you want to take a direct path to a task (write your own) or you want to use a shortcut (jQuery). To an accomplished programmer, the only bright side for jQuery would be if browsers and the W3C adapted some core functions as default behaviors driven via CSS. Otherwise, to a programmer, the argument is kind of like your feelings about coders and CSS and extensions 
Well, I can take a few of our scripts and say the same thing. Resig wrote jQuery. He can say anything he wants about it... I guess 
. But this is how most other people describe him:
John Resig is an American software engineer and entrepreneur, best known as the creator and lead developer of the jQuery JavaScript library.
pziecina wrote
(jQuery) is a javascript abstraction layer, meaning that one does not write javascript but uses a language that must first go through an interpretation process, (the jQuery file)
@ALsp you don't agree that it is an abstraction?
ALsp wrote
In precise terms, what exactly is jQuery? And where would I find evidenced-based and definitive data that clearly makes it something other than JavaScript, and if so, precisely what is the "other" to be called?
JQuery is Javascript based, no one said otherwise, but its an abstraction and interpreted library.
Here is the first statement that JQuery made to the world, from this ideal has anything since changed from this core principle?
If they strip out all the "necessary markup" and replace it with an alternative API, is that not then an abstraction on top of Javascript?
Are you arguing its not a abstraction?
ALsp wrote
LOL, so are you saying that jQuery is impure JavaScript?
You feel it is pure?
So if a person learns only jQuery are they correct to put that they know Javascript on their resume? If so, if you as a developer or any company are looking for a "Javascript Developer" to add to your team, start tomorrow and hit the ground running. A person whom only knows JQuery would be qualified for Javascript development ?
Yes, I am disagreeing with all of that . jQuery is JavaScript. A person who only knows jQuery would need to know JavaScript in order to know jQuery. I don't know how far back you go with Dreamweaver, but Massimo Foti, one of our early compatriots in extension development wrote a library of key functions and processes to make his extensions easier to keep updated. It was an interesting idea, and many years before jQuery. Similar concept, but purely JavaScript or, if you want to be precise, ECMAScript.
Resig's legacy will be if the W3C uses jQuery, or parts thereof, to make CSS more powerful. But it's still JavaScript. The concept of an abstraction just makes it sound cooler.
Not changing topics here but does anybody remember Yahoo UI.js, Prototype.js, Spry.js, Scriptaculous.js, Lightbox.js, SWFObject.js, and MooTools.js? Their usage declined significantly after jQuery rose to the top of the heap.
Nevertheless, I'm looking at a site right now that has to be re-built because outdated Web 2.0 JS scripts are not doing the job anymore.
If it quacks like a duck and swims like a duck and waddles like a duck, it's a duck. This stuff is all JavaScript. And so is jQuery.
Nancy
Lets try yet again, this is what I stated and asked:
W_J_T wrote
1.] @ALsp you don't agree that it is an abstraction? JQuery is Javascript based, no one said otherwise, but its an abstraction and interpreted library.
2.] If they strip out all the "necessary markup" and replace it with an alternative API, is that not then an abstraction on top of Javascript? Are you arguing its not a abstraction?
3.] You feel it is pure? So if a person learns only jQuery are they correct to put that they know Javascript on their resume? If so, if you as a developer or any company are looking for a "Javascript Developer" to add to your team, start tomorrow and hit the ground running. A person whom only knows JQuery would be qualified for Javascript development ?
And your response was:
ALsp wrote
Yes, I am disagreeing with all of that. jQuery is JavaScript. A person who only knows jQuery would need to know JavaScript in order to know jQuery.
But now you say:
ALsp wrote
- the key is what is an abstraction
- you create an abstraction layer that enables you to write small scripts that do big things.
- the core library (jQuery) must be there already.
- need not concern him or herself with ... details .... This is the abstraction.
- pure JavaScript ... takes more actual programming, because you would not be able to rely on shortcuts, or abstractions created when using the core jQuery library functions
So you now agree it is an abstraction or you still feel its not as you initially said "disagreeing with all that" ?
So thats #1 & #2.
Now lets look at #3 ...
I asked this ..
W_J_T wrote
You feel it is pure?
So if a person learns only jQuery are they correct to put that they know Javascript on their resume? If so, if you as a developer or any company are looking for a "Javascript Developer" to add to your team, start tomorrow and hit the ground running. A person whom only knows JQuery would be qualified for Javascript development ?
You've since stated this
ALsp wrote
- This is a shortcut and it is nothing more (or less) than JavaScript. But there is code in jQuery to make that work. And that code is the same code a "pure" JavaScript would use.
- The misinformation comes in when people start believing that jQuery is something different than JavaScript. It's not.
So you would advise that person to state they know Javascript on their resume and hire them as Javascript Developer (note, I never said to use JQuery).
So since they know Javascript from using JQuery (according to you) they could upon arrival to their new job use that knowledge to change this ...
// jQuery
$.post('//iknowjavascript.com', { username: username }, function (data) {
// I use know javascript since I use jquery
})
to this ...
// Vanilla Javascript
var httpRequest = new XMLHttpRequest()
httpRequest.onreadystatechange = function (data) {
// yippie they know javascript since they use jquery
}
httpRequest.setRequestHeader('Content-Type', 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded')
httpRequest.open('POST', url)
httpRequest.send('username=' + encodeURIComponent(username))
With no hesitation, since they know Javascript and that is what is required of them in their new job.
Those were the 3 questions.
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