OT: What going on these days??

That reply should really be addressed to Ben as I don't personally use Wappler, although I'm keeping tabs on it to see how it develops.

However you are right Wapplers editor does leave much to be desired but as you are aware and point out it's not a priority. Hopefully at some point they will improve that environment to maybe attract more code-orientated developers who want to take advantage of the back-end features, which might be beyond their capabilities.

However I am impressesed with what the actual programme can do despite my concerns over the niche code it creates. I guess these days with so many options available which use their own workflows  is that a real deal breaker now - I'm sitting on the fence a bit on that one now.

It would certainly be a good fit for a lot who are somehow connected/involved in web-development, maybe not those with long term ambitions but those whose job perhaps partly involves web-development or those who just want to create a website for their small company or individual requirements.

If you're happy to use a 'unique' way of producing websites then it's a real consideration. That kind of decision can only be determined by the person considering those options, their own expectations and where they want to be in 5 years time.

What do all those javascript files and injected javascript code blocks have to do with a single page application?If your going to create a single page application then at least do it correctly and not use some half baked workflow which this quite clearly is.

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea  wrote osgood_   wrote I'm totally confused as to why, what and how this has been produced and for what purpose it serves. One word:  Sharepoint. I suspect the real nuts & bolts are for a much bigger corporate purpose that the public doesn't see.

If the public has no reason to see why include what is not needed on public pages, it doesnt make any sense at all.

To me it just looks like its a template that many companies deploy these days as a starting point and if the website doesn't take advantage of the scripts the developers don't bother to remove them.

Whatever its a pile of unconsidered horse dung in my opinion - If you click on the form submit button it scrolls you all the way to the top of the page so you have to scroll all the way down again to fill in the fields you missed. As a client I would not accept that and as a developer I would consider myself a poor excuse.

You could be right though - Sharepoint has some input into all of this but for what purpose, other than no one knows what they are doing, I have no idea for such a simple page. No human would write that obtuse coding - only a geeky programmer could have come up with that automated, convoluted, bloated bats crap to cover all eventualities, so yes you could well be right its been produced by something, maybe Sharepoint which would account for the awful outcome.

pziecina  wrote I don't participate often in forums anymore, not because I am not interested but because I see sites like the one you linked to becomming the norm for small buisneses,

I don't blame you - I think I'm slowly losing the will to live over the last year or so, given the state of where we are currently at. It seems to be these days as long as the facade looks ok it doesnt really matter what the underlying code is like any longer. Its complete madeness and lack of consideration by what I guess is a new generation of developers who just don't care any longer or are so much under pressure they haven't got time to consider or care, but only to make money for their pay-masters who generally have no-skill or morales, other than counting pennies.

pziecina  wrote It has become obvious since the demise of Muse, that very few small buisneses and the builders of sites for them do not want to know or even care about the code behind the site. There was even a post in the Muse forum about alternative products that said how good the alternative was, because it now uses absolute positioning.

Simply mind-boggling.

How many developers actually now care about their clients needs any longer. It seems to me they are buidling websites with anything and anyhow which will get the work done quickly without the need for much skill, other than to follow a set of instructions/pre-defined templates and leaving their client with a white-elephant which cannot be easily transported to any other developers.

I thought I would look further into the Vue CLI way of producing a website recently instead of CDN delivery only to find you have a set of production files and at the end of the build process these files are somehow complied into another set of files which you then deploy to the server - what happens if another developer is required to work on that website and doesnt have access to the production files - I dont know if its even possible in any way to uncompile the complied files back into a Vue production workflow, if not what can be done would be very limited.

It seems developers are now 'locking' down websites only to be able to be managed at local level by those with access to the original production files. That can't be good for a client who has invested 5-10k plus.

pziecina  wrote Just to throw in a little item for a possible controversial discussion, has anyone thought that forums such as this are partly responsible for the 'sorry state of web development' when it comes to smaller sites? After all most answers use or point to pre-built solutions, and just like validation and accessibility now, no mention of the code uses by the solutions is of importance anymore.

Very sad state of affairs.