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B i r n o u
Legend
November 4, 2018

as in all disciplines, no one will contradict the fact that basic tools and techniques remain the only safe values to be learned and mastered.

here in france we have an old school called compagnonnage which trains all the best workers in france in a large number of disciplines.

However, not everyone can become a companion, the journey is long, demanding, and difficult... it requires a lot of self-sacrifice, time and rigour.

and that's the way it is for everything... most of us love code and try to produce quality applications, which can last, evolve and adapt to new interfaces and needs...

Fortunately, a large number of tools sometimes allow us to get to the heart of the needs more quickly in order to minimize production costs.

necessarily not all the tools will be unanimously accepted and very often some tools disappear as quickly as they appeared.

surround yourself with a good box of tools and often a guarantee of subjectivity and remains a compromise between needs, adaptability, skills and possibilities of alternatives...

What is certain is that the web must be accessible to as many people as possible... both in consultation and in the production and supply of content... and as in real life, no virtual, there are vegetables that grow in the ground, without chemical fertilizers, without pesticides, and in their original seasons... and then there is the mass consumption that allows strawberries to be eaten in winter and that have travelled much more kilometres than all those gathered around the table to eat them will do...

guess how I feed myself, and guess what I think of the code...?....... you found it?

well I find that wordpress, bootstrap, enablewebdesign and many others who will always be criticized... have just as many reasons to be and to be available to everyone... the essential thing in the end is that content can emerge from all this and that information can be produced... at least there we know that the earth will not be destroyed, that the water will not be polluted and that everyone, author, as reader could find his or her benefit... even the critics...

B i r n o u
Legend
November 4, 2018

I think the subject is getting lost....

the question, at least as I perceived it... is not whether the site hosting the content is technically laudable and well made... but whether the content distributed there makes sense...

you can always try to split your hair in four and define the squaring of the circle.... as Nancy said, we are talking about content and not support.

Legend
November 2, 2018

Needs to concentrate on the coding side a bit more..........yikes.........how many stylesheets does a website need. This is what your automated processes, in this case Wordpress, create for you....a pile of poo.

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<link rel='stylesheet' id='grw_css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/6nd3o8r5/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

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<link rel='stylesheet' id='normalize_css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/eh1s6zu8/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='custom_style_css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/g39rtyl3/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='siq_icon_css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/2cwzxeu1/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='siq_front_css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/7a9bppj7/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='wp-pagenavi-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/diicfr4a/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='sb_mod_menu_css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/e700ng78/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='et_monarch-css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/31dusre5/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='et-gf-open-sans-csshref='https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Open+Sans:400,700' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='et-builder-googlefonts-cached-csshref='https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Nunito+Sans%3A200%2C200italic%2C300%2C300italic%2Cregular%2Citalic%2C600%2C600italic%2C700%2C700italic%2C800%2C800italic%2C900%2C900italic%7CLato%3A100%2C100italic%2C300%2C300italic%2Cregular%2Citalic%2C700%2C700italic%2C900%2C900italic&#038;ver=4.9.8#038;subset=vietnamese,latin,latin-ext' type='text/css' media='all' />

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<link rel='stylesheet' id='parent-theme-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/1eu9xen1/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

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<link rel='stylesheet' id='ts_owl-carousel-css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/mcnl83l8/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

<link rel='stylesheet' id='ts_font-awesome-css-csshref='//enablewebdesign.com/wp-content/cache/wpfc-minified/fs28lmd5/5qzva.css' type='text/css' media='all' />

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pziecina
Legend
November 2, 2018

Which only goes to prove that if internet connection speeds had not increased dramatically over the last 10 years, (depending on where one lives) many website visits would be abandoned before they had loaded, due to excessive file sizes.

However, I think Nancy was pointing out that some knowledge of good design principles are essential, which I agree with. One thing that the article does not point out though, is that the requirements of the target user can change general design principles.

Legend
November 3, 2018

osgood_  wrote

God forbid if an aircraft mechanic were to be so sloppy.

Probably a bad example, as I am probably the only one of this forums regular contributers who knows what the penalties are for sloppy work by anyone in the aircraft industry, but I do get your point.

The problem with the web design/development profession, is that qualifications for the level of expertise required for the building of the run-of-the-mill website is zero. That is a different problem though from the original post by Nancy, which we still have not discussed. Is the article really relevant to the web?

Most of the 'design' principles are taken from print requirements and best practices, which are restricted by the cost of such things as paper type, and inks used, (especially when using multiple colours). So are the principles as restrictive for the web, where paper is free, and colours cost nothing. Even white space can be used without any real problems.

The other item mentioned in the article, is web site layout, where it is said that page layout is now well established, is it, or have we just reached a point of 'lack of inspiration'. After all, at the beginning of maned flight, bi-planes were the norm, but I have yet to see any modern aircraft with such a wing layout.


I used that example to substantiate a point l was making that other professions do require years of learning, exams, close scrutiny by senior supervisors  etc before youre deemed qualified to perform the job to a level expected.

Meanwhile back in the web develpment world just because its not a matter of life or death its perfectly ok, in the eyes of those who posted a response in this thread apart from yourself, to use sloppy worfllows and produce sloppy code.

At least try to attain a level of acceptability rather than ignoring  it completly and showing very little committment that your the least bit interested in what you are producing. I guess that is just too much to expect in this day and age

Or am l completely out of touch and 27 links to stylesheets and numorous links to js files plus a substsintial number of radically scatered js functions directly within the code is the new and advanced way to code. Those that have already responded alluding to it is need not reapply for the position