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Text not searchable & copiable within an inported pdf doc in FM

New Here ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011

Hi all,

I am having an unique problem with FrameMaker 7.1!

There is a *.fm file and within it, I am importing by reference a pdf file.

The above imported pdf file was created from OpenOffice draw (contains some shapes and text).

After importing the above pdf into FM, I save the *.fm file and convert it to a pdf file.

In this final pdf, it is not possible to search for texts that is contained within imported pdf (drawings created with the OpenOffice and then converted to pdf)!

Why is this so......is there a work around?

Note : Texts withing pdf's created from MS-Office Word are however searchable in the final pdf created from FM file (imported by reference in the same way)!

Thanks in advance,

Debayan

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New Here ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011

The OpenOffice PDF (some shapes, some text) may be a simple graphic object. Even though you can read thetext characters from

the original file, it's probably the same kind of file as a jpg or bmp.

If you have Adobe Acrobat, you can open the file and go to the Document pull-down. Select OCR (Optical Character Recognition) and

Acrobat will read all the text, and convert the "text" graphic objects in to actual (searchable, cut-n-paste) REAL text.

If you don't have Acrobat, there are some online OCR sites that convert files for you, but I've never used one so I can't tell

you too much.

You might be better off just going to a local print shop to have them do the same thing for you.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011

There is a *.fm file and within it, I am importing by reference a pdf file.

Is the text searchable and copiable in the original PDF before importing?

What options are you specifying when exporting it from OpenOffice?

The Security tab settings would be the first place to look.

I am having an unique problem with FrameMaker 7.1!

My experience with PDF import in FM7 and 7.1 is that it is unstable.

Import enough objects, and after a while they turn into little gray

squares, and fail to render correctly in the output. Nothing can be

done to fix them other than to totally delete the anchoring frame and

re-import, which only works for another while.

So what we do is convert the PDF page images to text/vector EPS, and

import those. The resulting page content is searchable and copiable.

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I do not yet know if PDF import is more stable in FM9.

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New Here ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011

hi

Error7103,

Is the text searchable and copiable in the original PDF before importing?

Ans> Yes, in the original pdf, the texts r searchable & copiable to a recognized text format!

But in the pdf created from the *.fm file, those texts are no longer searchable & copiable!

What options are you specifying when exporting it from OpenOffice?

The Security tab settings would be the first place to look.

Ans> Yes, I have taken a look into the "Security" tab of 'PDF Options' and there "Enable copying of content" &  "Enable text access....." has been checked!

          Also in the 'General' tab, I have selected option "PDF/A-1" to be on the safer side (have also read the 'Help'), but all these don't solve my problem! 😞

Debayan

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Guide ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011
Also in the 'General' tab, I have selected option "PDF/A-1" to be on the safer side (have also read the 'Help'), but all these don't solve my problem! 😞

Try something OTHER than one of the PDF/A, PDF/B, etc variants.

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Community Expert ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011

Try something OTHER than one of the PDF/A, PDF/B, etc variants.

I just tried, in FM7.1/Unix, importing a PDF/A-1 page image as

originally exported to PDF from OpenOffice calc, and as re-saved

to EPS v9 from Illustrator CS5.

Both the PDF and EPS imports are text-selectable and fully searchable.

I suspect the problem is elsewhere, perhaps in how the PDF is being

generated from Frame. I print to .ps, then Distill.

Or possibly it's a font issue. If there is an issue with finding the fonts

during pdf generation, or their permissions, then they may end up as

outlines in the final pdf, and won't be "text".

We catch that problem in our process, because when we run the

batch AI script to generate the EPS versions of the PDF import

pages, it stops and dialogs if any text would go to outline. Importing

PDF and then printing to PDF or PS might easily be silent on this issue.

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LEGEND ,
Jun 14, 2011 Jun 14, 2011

FWIW, FM internally converts the PDF (page) to an EPS format using the same routines found in Acrobat for PDF export (and has been quite stable all along).

You can try exporting from Acrobat your PDF to an EPS and then use Distiller to convert that back to a PDF. If that is searchable, then I would recommend sticking with that route for now. That also means that something might be misconfigured in your environment.

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New Here ,
Jun 15, 2011 Jun 15, 2011

Hi all,

I have found the solution!

The problem was lying with the fact as to how OpenOffice was exporting to PDF.

I am now using FreePDF and then I am printing from the OpenOffice files to pdf!

These pdf's when embedded into FM, and again the final pdf is generated, produces searchable texts!

No more issues now!

Thanks to all those who replied.

Regards,

debayan

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Community Expert ,
Jun 15, 2011 Jun 15, 2011
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I am now using FreePDF and then I am printing from the OpenOffice files to pdf!

That shouldn't be necessary.

I just tried creating a page in OO Draw, and Exporting as PDF (PDF/A-1).

The imported PDF* text is selectable and searchable in the resulting PDF.

I can see controls in the OO PDF Options, such as

"[  ] Reduce image resolution"

that could easily wreck text, as would the previously

discussed Security settings.


The problem was lying with the fact as to how OpenOffice was exporting to PDF.

If you get a chance to chase that down, it would be interesting to know what the core problem is.

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* I also imported the same page image as an EPS, re-saved from AI (Acrobat can also re-save as EPS). The text was also selectable and searchable. If you run into stability problems with importing PDFs into FM7.x, re-save the images as EPS and re-import.

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