Exit
  • Global community
    • Language:
      • Deutsch
      • English
      • Español
      • Français
      • Português
  • 日本語コミュニティ
  • 한국 커뮤니티
0

Vector (WMF/EMF) graphic deterioration in PDFs created in FrameMaker

Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

Imported WMFs and EMFs look great in FrameMaker; however, in the PDF (created using File > Save As PDF), lines in the graphics disappear. PDFs and SVGs look fine in the PDF.  Is this an Adobe Acrobat issue or should I be doing something different in FrameMaker? Thanks.

TOPICS
PDF output
974
Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines

correct answers 1 Correct answer

Explorer , Feb 12, 2024 Feb 12, 2024

I'm recommending PDF to to my team, but I was just commenting that SVG works fine too. Thanks!

Translate
Community Expert ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

What version of FM? Have you tried Publishing to PDF?

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

I just upgraded from 2019 to 2022 but I was seeing the issue in 2019 too. I have not tried Publishing to PDF. Let me give that a shot. Thanks!

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

I tried publishing to PDF with the same results. I magnified the image to make sure it wasn't a resolution issue. Thanks for your help though!

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Community Expert ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

EMF and WMF files are not as reliable as other vector formats (EPS is best, SVG is good - in my experience). It could be that the output does not reflect that what you see in FrameMaker.

However, it could also be that this is just a zoom effect. What happens, when you zoom in? Do you still do not see these lines?

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

Yes, the PDF and SVG versions of the same images look just fine. Yes, I did zoom in and out. The lines are definitely missing. Thanks for your help! 

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Community Expert ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

It would also be worth trying the other PDF workflows:
🗏Publish to PDF
🗏Print to PDF
🗏Print to .ps & Distill
and check the compression settings for each.

I concur with Winfried that EPS is usually the optimal image type for PDF, as PDF is just device-independent Postscript, and EPS is just Encapsulated Postscript, so theoretically gets passed into PDF unmolested.

If HTML/XML/eBook are in the future, SVG is a worthy goal (because it's XML already).

Depending on what vector editor you have available, you might be able to batch convert the legacy vector files to EPS or SVG.

I used to encounter stray-extra-vector problems with some legacy CAD vector formats (DXF?), and made conversion to EPS part of the workflow.

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

Thank you. Won't I lose all my hyperlinks if I go the Print to PDF route? 

Also, I have anywhere from 40 - 100 graphic files in one chapter. I saved one as an EPS and it was huge (4,247 KB) compared to the other file formats (SVG, 251 KB and WMF, 172 KB). 

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

Also, I think the original file format is DXF. Our mechanical engineers import the DXF files into Creo. They then create a PDF, which is what I use as my source in Adobe Illustrator.

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Community Expert ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

If you are bring your files into Illustrator, where does the WMF format come from? Are you sure the files are not getting converted to raster somewhere along the process?

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 07, 2024 Feb 07, 2024

Some of our images are also coming from Visio - that's where the WMFs and EMFs are coming from.

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 08, 2024 Feb 08, 2024

We have diagrams which are done in Visio and they've been saved as WMFs and EMFs. Others are the DXF files. Some of my coworkers have experimented with exporting the out of AI as WMFs and EMFs.

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Community Expert ,
Feb 08, 2024 Feb 08, 2024

Given that PDF is the workflow target, another approach for vector image import is … PDF.

If it looks OK after save-as/export from Creo or Visio, it would be expected to be unmolested by FM.

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 08, 2024 Feb 08, 2024

Yes, PDF looks fine too. I'm leaning toward SVG or PDF. SVG file size is smaller. 

Thanks everyone for your help!

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Community Expert ,
Feb 09, 2024 Feb 09, 2024

make sure to mark one or more of these fine answers as Correct

-Matt Sullivan
FrameMaker Course Creator, Author, Trainer, Consultant
Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Community Expert ,
Feb 10, 2024 Feb 10, 2024

Why not save as PDF from Visio?

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines
Explorer ,
Feb 12, 2024 Feb 12, 2024
LATEST

I'm recommending PDF to to my team, but I was just commenting that SVG works fine too. Thanks!

Translate
Report
Community guidelines
Be kind and respectful, give credit to the original source of content, and search for duplicates before posting. Learn more
community guidelines