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Hello all,

I will be using unstructured FrameMaker 15.0.6.956 for the project below.

I am working on a document in Word that I will be moving to FrameMaker a little later in the process. (The original doc is in Word and there are multiple writers who are still working in the Word version using Master Docs.) The document is an engineering textbook that uses several hundred equations, for which MathType is used in the Word version. I will be moving it to FrameMaker for the ease of formatting, indexing, styles, cross-references, etc.

I have never used the MathML Equation feature in FrameMaker, but I see that it seems very similar to MathType--a kind of MathType for FrameMaker, maybe? Anyway, I am wondering if MathType will be importable into the FrameMaker doc. It doesn't seem to be copy/pastable, and I'm concerned that I may need to recreate every equation in the Frame version.

Thank you!

Nina

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Nov 07, 2021
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re: *â€¦no way to do that other than as image filesâ€¦*

And that can be done with preservation of typographic quality. If the Word doc is available as a PDF, Illustrator can open single pages, isolate individual equations, deleting everything else, shrink the artboard to equation extents, and then save it as SVG. The SVG preserves the text as text and any non-text elements as vector art.

As you would need some way to organize them, and don't want to re-do all of them every time the .doc/x is revised

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Isn't this something like the third time in the last 6 months that someone has asked about importing equations created in Word into FrameMaker?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my recollection is that we've found no way to do that other than as image files because Word does not save the equations out in an editable format.

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re: *â€¦no way to do that other than as image filesâ€¦*

And that can be done with preservation of typographic quality. If the Word doc is available as a PDF, Illustrator can open single pages, isolate individual equations, deleting everything else, shrink the artboard to equation extents, and then save it as SVG. The SVG preserves the text as text and any non-text elements as vector art.

As you would need some way to organize them, and don't want to re-do all of them every time the .doc/x is revised, the equation instances ideally would have some separate and change-control stewardship already in place, that could be used in the saved file names and to ID those needing re-export.

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No worries, they're easy enough to miss. Better to ask again then not get the information you need.

I'm mostly surprised that so many people (relatively speaking) suddenly have the same need! At least you're okay with images. The others needed (or at least wanted) to be able to maintain them in Frame.

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FRMAKER-11189: MathFlow EULA link isn't to an EULA anymore

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It seems to be called MathType now. Sounds like Adobe hasn't kept this updated.

https://www.wiris.com/en/mathtype/

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Adobe likely needs to make a strategic decision about equation support. There are a number of page object types that FM can import but cannot edit in-app.

The legacy equation editor is no longer meeting modern publishing flow needs. Adobe probably can't just hire ~~Nick Corfield~~ Ron Avitzur to update it for XML.

There are any number of MathML editors available, of which a significant fraction are open source. It might suffice to just:

â˜ž provide config support to designate one

â˜ž on right-click, export the math object to the configured editor

â˜ž on app save, import the result back in

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Adobe probably can't just hire Nick Corfield to update it for XML.

It was Ron Avitzur who developed the equations Editor. The concept is operator oriented, not layout oriented, as most/all XML editors.

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