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January 4, 2018
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color managment for spot color

  • January 4, 2018
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This question really spans AI/PS/ID, but i'll start with this forum and see where we go.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement color management across AI/PS/ID/Acrobat for a spot color imprinting workflow. We imprint separated flat colors (no gradients or halftones) onto products, either screen printed (film to screen) or pad printed (film to plates). We work with vector logos in AI and convert & separate them into 4 or less PMS colors to output film. So there are no halftones or screen angles or even a RIP to mess with or calibrate, just straight separated ink through mesh or onto a plate.

My dilemma starts with our proofing process. We copy/paste the vector logo from AI into a PSD, positioning the logo onto a photo of our product, and then insert that PSD onto an ID proof template. We export a PDF from ID as a proof for our customers to view/approve —and for our production team to use for rough placement/color. There have been many cases where our customers or production team notice that the colors shown on the CMYK PDF proof turn out much different than the PMS ink imprinted product. Most of our customers view the PDF onscreen and our production views a desktop printout from the PDF. While I understand that we will never be exact due to the nature of different monitors/desktop printers/color spaces/etc, i'm hoping that we can at least get our proof colors closer to the final imprinted product and/or PMS swatch book.

I've done a lot of research on color management and most of what i've found involves converting spot to CMYK (etc) for traditional paper-printing, hardly anything for a spot color only workflow. Without getting too complicated, how could we approach color management between AI/PS/ID so we know that at least the proof we output is as accurate as it can be to the final imprint? Which color space(s) and pre-existing profile(s) would work best across the 3 softwares in a purely PMS workflow? Thanks in advance for any input on this.

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    Inspiring
    January 4, 2018

    In the past we used to have "Chromalins" made and have customer "sign-off" on the actual Chromalin proof ( neither inkjet nor softee ).  The actual artwork was used for both the proof and the film /plates.  Chromalins were great because they were pretty accurate.  It comes down to how you want your approval process to become?  Chromalins bypassed the drawbacks of both the inkjet proof and the monitor.  The only other way to accurately proof your spot color job is to do a press proof ( you actually print a one-off and have the customer sign-off on that ). 

    Mike_Gondek10189183
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    January 4, 2018

    If they are reviewing on an RGB monitor you should make an RGB pdf to get the  maximum gamut closest to the spot PMS.

    We would need to see your

    • color management settings
    • your pdf settings

    would also be good to see a screenshot of the results you are getting for a problematic PMS color.

    Ton Frederiks
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    January 4, 2018

    A CMYK PDF will dramatically limit the Pantone colors.

    Why not work with an RGB PDF?

    Instead of placing the AI document in Photoshop, place the Photoshop document in an Illustrator RGB file with the spot colors.

    If you use Adobe RGB as the RGB colorspace, you will have a much better representation of the Pantone colors (and spot colors separate fine even in an RGB document).

    Inspiring
    January 4, 2018

    I recommend you create two files, one spot for output ( closed loop / internal ) and another CMYK ( open loop / external ).  It is not an automatic conversion, but rather a disciplined approach of going by the Pantone Coated percentages based on your internal proofer.  Some RIP & Print proofers claim to match 90% of the Pantone Library.  That said, it seems there is a trend for printers such as yourself like the convenience of having customers approve "softproofs" ( shown on any monitor anywhere ).  You would have to have a disclaimer that color is not accurate.

    font_dorkAuthor
    Participant
    January 4, 2018

    if i were to just focus on just the accuracy of the external soft proof, what working color space and output profiles should we be using? it seems like the majority of the "canned" color profiles are for offset and/or sheetfed paper presses which have little to do with flat color screen/pad imprinting (we don't have a RIP, we "hand separate" 4 color logos) Regarding spot colors, most of what i read seemed to lean towards an LAB or RGB profiles, so i'm really unsure which path to take on this.

    Ton Frederiks
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    January 4, 2018

    I would use Adobe RGB, sRGB is much smaller and can't show as many Pantone colors as Adobe RGB.