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Creating outlines

  • November 5, 2019
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Hi! 
shud I create outlines of my logo for a client before I save them as different file formats like jpeg pdf etc! As they might not have the fonts or shud I give them the original illustrator file then save from this different file formats!

many thanks

Correct answer Monika Gause

Always keep a copy for you that has live text.

 

For your client: yes, definitely outline fonts. always. Outline effect. Outline strokes.

Not only because your client doesn't have the fonts, but also to prevent changes, because someone might not open the loge in Illustrator, but in a different application.

 

Usually clients need a package of different file formats. AI, PDF, EPS (for some applicances still the last resort), PNG, JPEG, GIF, TIF, SVG.

In case you need to do this more often, try this: https://thelogopackage.com/

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Monika Gause
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November 5, 2019

Always keep a copy for you that has live text.

 

For your client: yes, definitely outline fonts. always. Outline effect. Outline strokes.

Not only because your client doesn't have the fonts, but also to prevent changes, because someone might not open the loge in Illustrator, but in a different application.

 

Usually clients need a package of different file formats. AI, PDF, EPS (for some applicances still the last resort), PNG, JPEG, GIF, TIF, SVG.

In case you need to do this more often, try this: https://thelogopackage.com/

Community Expert
November 5, 2019

I'm going to disagree a bit with an "always" policy of storing logos with text objects still active. There are plenty of hazards that exist with keeping the fonts active. One type family may have numerous versions, often sold by different vendors. Futura is one example. All these different "flavors" of Futura visually look the same at first glance. But if you set a text string in these different versions of Futura and line the objects over the top of each other you'll see all kinds of subtle differences. Even updates of the same type family from the same vendor can be different. The version of Arial bundled in Windows XP is far different from the one bundled in Windows 10. The same typeface may exist in different font formats, such as Postscript Type 1 or OpenType. I've seen old graphics files using "dead" font formats like Type 1 Multiple Master. Very few applications outside Illustrator can handle OpenType Variable fonts.

If someone is storing a logo file with text objects still active they'll either need to bundle the specific fonts used in the project with that logo file or make a very clear record of what was used -more than just the font name. Otherwise if the person opens a logo file 5-10 years later and doesn't remember what specific fonts were used the file can bascially "break" to varying degrees when re-opened. If other people are handling a logo file with active text then font substitutions will be very likely.

If active text objects are applied to paths, warped, etc that will also be a hazard over the long term. Even if the original fonts used in the project are installed newer versions of graphics applications can alter how they render type-specific effects, such as text on path effects. I haven't had many issues with text-based effects in Illustrator, but I've seen old files from other applications do all kinds of wacky, unpredictable things when re-opened many years and many product versions later.

For long term archiving purposes at least one version of the logo needs to be saved with all type converted to outlines and any other "live" effects expanded into editable vector paths. A properly finalized logo design should be portable to other rival graphics applications. That port-ability is compromised when a logo or graphics element uses unique features dependent on a specific application or application plug-in.

Monika Gause
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November 5, 2019

"I'm going to disagree a bit with an "always" policy of storing logos with text objects still active. "

 

I'm not advocating to give that to the client.

But in case you need to edit the logo, change the company name, create a new logo for a logo family, then it's very practical to have the information and to be able to just edit away.

 

In the end it comes down to experience: a lot of people come into this forum asking questions along the line of "2 years ago I made this logo ,but for the life of me I can't remember which font I used, can you please help me"

 

If that is not your problem, good for you. For everyone else: better keep that copy with live text.