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December 4, 2024
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Flatten Transparency is Ruining my Lines! Please Help!

  • December 4, 2024
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Hello,

 

I need to import PDFs into Illustrator and then edit them within the program. Is there a way to edit and shift around parts of the PDF without flattening transparency?

 

The problem is that when I choose the setting to "convert all text to outlines", the final version of the PDF has thinner weights on the part of the PDF to which I applied this effect. If I don't convert the text to outlines, the PDF looks fine, however, Illustrator then has a problem interpreting some of the fonts that are in the originally imported PDF. 

 

Are there ways around this? Can I get Illustrator to recognize those fonts so that I don't have to convert text to outlines? Or is there some other solution?

 

Many thanks!

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Known Participant
December 10, 2024

Can anyone recommend an app that will allow me to add a few things (text, and perhaps also import PDF images) onto a PDF without having to flatten the transparency? 

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December 4, 2024

It appears mostly to concern the music fonts used in Finale. They are installed in the font book, however, they are not accessible from the font menu in Illustrator. Does this suggest a solution? Thanks.

Monika Gause
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December 4, 2024

Are they PostScript T1 fonts? Then there's no way to use them in current Illustrator versions.

 

I'm curious - what do you need to edit in the musical score in Illustrator? Does it work when you just place/link the PDF and then design whatever needs to be around it and leave the notes alone?

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December 6, 2024

If you view the PDF in Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat DC you can right-click in a blank area of the document and choose "Document Properties" in the flyout menu. There will be a tab for "Fonts". That will provide a list of all the fonts in the document and the type of fonts used.

 

Generally speaking, PDF files are just not edit-friendly. Adobe Illustrator is an exception, but only because it can create PDF files that include Illustrator data.

 

PDF files made by most other applications (even Adobe apps such as InDesign) are meant strictly for document viewing and printing, not further editing. All sorts of seemingly odd things are done to the type and graphics objects in the document to make the PDF's content appear accurately and print accurately on different computer systems and different computing platforms. The exported PDF file may contain a rat's nest of clipping masks, clipping groups and all sorts of other junk in order to do that. Worse yet, if the PDF was created to optimize file size then all sorts of objects may be changed. Paths get broken open. Some letters in outlined text get turned into line strokes. Much of the time the Flatten Transparency trick is the only alternative. At least Illustrator can do that. Rival vector drawing applications are in even worse shape at importing PDF content.

 

If you're having to make edits to a document created in MS Word or Finale it would be far easier to just work with a copy of the original document rather than have to re-build it from a de-constructed PDF.

 

Third party plugins, such as Vector First Aid from Astute Graphics, can help solve a lot of problems when someone has to work with a customer provided PDF file. But the plugin can do only so much. Even with the aid of that plugin it might still kill a lot of time re-building content from a PDF into a clean, editable document.


Thanks for this detailed and infromative answer! I'm hoping I can accomplish this without a third-party plug-in.

Monika Gause
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 4, 2024

Fonts that are only in the PDF and not installed in your system cannot be used. That was one of the conditions of the font industry to allow the embedding of fonts in PDFs at all. 

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December 4, 2024

How can I get Adobe to recognize them, then? The original PDFs were made in other programs on my computer (Word and Finale), therefore they are installed on my system.

Ton Frederiks
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Community Expert
December 4, 2024

It may be that Word (don't know about Finale) has the fonts installed for MS Office apps and other apps cannot see them.

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December 4, 2024

Thank you both for your answers. Yes, I normally preserve editing capabilities. I've just tried doing it without and the same effect takes place.

Anubhav M
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Community Manager
December 4, 2024

Hello @Thomas22842972ml5u,

Would you mind confirming if this PDF was saved with Editing Capabilities preserved while saving, or if you have the original AI file available? Also, please share some screenshots of your workflow and the problem, so I can better assist you.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

 

Anubhav

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December 4, 2024

@Thomas22842972ml5u did you select 'Preserve Editing Capabilities' for Illustrator?

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